Ask Sam1976

[sam1976]

Hey Sam, I'm a newer member and I have gained a lot of great information on this site. I am currently almost done with my first cycle with was 12wks of test e along with 5wks of dbol @30mg/day. It is going well and I am happy with the results and strength gains.

I made a thread about a 2nd future cycle and I just wanted to see what you thought about it.

I was advised that a "gutsy" 2nd cycle would be 500mg/wk of either test E or Test Cyp, along with 75mg EOD of tren acetate...What do you think of this for a second cycle?

Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks man

hey bro, welcome to JM. great looking physique in your avatar. you obviously started with a good natural base! about the tren...what makes you want to run tren and what are your goals for the next cycle? personally, i wouldnt suggest it. i know of guys who have used tren early and everything went well, but it is one of the highest side effect drugs there is. i found that EOD has higher side effects than ED, but injecting ED can be a chore, especially for a new AAS user. so see, off the bat, here are some complications. add in possible moodiness, sleeplessness, ect and it can make for a rough ride. more important though, i see AAS use in our sport like lighting off fireworks. you want to save the big stuff for later on. set off all the big stuff right away, and you have no where to go but to something less. thats the same reason we dont suggest you start out with a G of test per wk. if you keep cycling, eventually you'll get there, but why not reap the benefits of much less while you still can? really, you could keep doing the cycle you just did, several more times and keep growing well from it, for sure. i can see though, that you probably wanna try something else. there is no rule that you cant use tren, but maybe consider something else that can be pinned less often and has lower side effects. EQ comes to mind. 600mg EW for 16 wks along with the same amount of test and dbol you did before would add some serious lean muscle with the right diet and training plan.

[sam1976]

Sam, I read the stickies on diet and everything I should be eating and maintenance calories. I am looking to lose 80 pounds right now because I am at 270 and 5'11. I know I will have to reduce the maintenance calories by 500-1000 cals by diet and exercise, but also I want to know what I could take during this extreme cutting phase. Can I take clenbuterol, t3. and proviron? And how would I take it?

heres what i would do bro. get yourself started without taking the additional supps like clen, ect. these things will help, but very little compared to what diet and cardio will do. the problem is, because these drugs will help to liberate a lb or 2 here and there, it can mask the results of an inferior diet and cardio plan. i would suggest you take the time to get started first, nailing the diet and cardio. see what it takes, exactly to lose fat and then after things start to slow down in a few months, start adding in fat loss supps. there are a lot of good products out there, some OTC, some script only. i'll be happy to help you along the way, if you get stuck. there are always minor changes and tricks that we can pull to make sure the fat keeps coming off. no matter what though, you are going to have to experience some discomfort in this process. it'll be so worth it though, and once you see yourself reaching your goals, the pain wont seem that great!!! let me know if there is anything i can help you with in your diet...then down the road, lets revisit the topic of t3, clen, ect again

[Thedub3]

Hey Sam, I'm a newer member and I have gained a lot of great information on this site. I am currently almost done with my first cycle with was 12wks of test e along with 5wks of dbol @30mg/day. It is going well and I am happy with the results and strength gains.

I made a thread about a 2nd future cycle and I just wanted to see what you thought about it.

I was advised that a "gutsy" 2nd cycle would be 500mg/wk of either test E or Test Cyp, along with 75mg EOD of tren acetate...What do you think of this for a second cycle?

Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks man

[flyNhigh]

Sam, I read the stickies on diet and everything I should be eating and maintenance calories. I am looking to lose 80 pounds right now because I am at 270 and 5'11. I know I will have to reduce the maintenance calories by 500-1000 cals by diet and exercise, but also I want to know what I could take during this extreme cutting phase. Can I take clenbuterol, t3. and proviron? And how would I take it?

[sam1976]

this should be ok, abggold. it isnt the beginner cycle i suggest but you should ok and not have to worry much about side effects. you do need PCT with every cycle you do. with this cycle, your clomid would start 2 wks after last injection. as far as what you get out of this cycle, its all going to come down to your diet. i would suggest that before you start, you really spend as much time as you can, here on the board, reading up, so you can get the most out of your cycle. with the right diet, you can some decent gains off of this program.

as far as "side free" or low side effect cycles go, it all comes down to your knowledge. the more you learn about what you're doing, the more you understand how to dose drugs, how to counteract problems and how to avoid side effects all together. this comes with time though. stick around and read. i'm sure any questions you develop are floating around the pages of JM...and hey, if you can't fins the answers you're looking for, start a thread or ask here in my Q and A.

[Abqgold]

Sam,
First I want to extend my gratitude for your wisdom, willingness to help and responsiveness. Your thread and the information contained in it, is the most knowledgeable, comprehensive and helpful that I've come across so again THANK YOU! I'll apologize in advance if your question was previously addressed in this thread or somewhere else but o spent a few hours searching and didn't find it so figured I'd ask.

Now to my question...

I'm 30 and have been working out more seriously for the past 2 years after about an 8 year hiatus. I'm 6'2, 190, approx 15%bf and have primarily been doing HIIT as I'm more interested in getting a stronger, leaner, more athletic body than bulking up. That said, I've been looking for something to help my workouts and physique in general and decided to start my first cycle. I picked up the side free lean gains stack from naps as I'm relatively concerned about negative side effects and thought this would be something good to test the waters with. It's a 10 week cycle with 400mg primobolan depot 2x a week and 40mg Oxandrolone/anavar daily.

My question is if you have had any experience with Primobolan, have any concerns or recommendations. It hadn't been recommended that a pct was necessary but I picked up some clomid just in case. I'll probably also do some milk thistle as I have a few drinks from time to time and figured it couldn't hurt the liver.

Does this sound like a good idea to you? Have any pointers? What are your thoughts on the clomid?

Any guidance you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work! You're an inspiration to everyone out here seeking answers

[sam1976]

hey bro, welcome to JM. you've got some good questions. let take a look at them here and see if we can put together a plan for you. first off, no matter what you use, be it over the counter fat burners, steroids, ect, the effect you get is going to be based off your diet. diet do 95% of the work. without it, no supplement of any kind is going to do much of anything. and even if it did create moderate changes, once you stopped using the compound, you'd revert to what you were before. this may sound depressing...BUT it can also be liberating. see, what i'm telling you is that the way you look is based mainly off of diet, so if you make the right changes, you can have any physique you ARE WILLING TO WORK FOR.

so lets talk steroids. the main benefit of steroids is to build muscle. they dont burn fat to any major degree. they mainly help you build muscle. THAT IS...if you are eating enough to build muscle. in dieting down, like i am now, using steroids helps to preserve muscle while lowering carbs and fats plus doing lots of cardio. for you, there wont be much of a need for steroids yet.

even though your main goal is to lose fat for now, you can also replace that fat with muscle if you're eating the right foods at the right times. i believe that you can lose fat while building muscle no problem. in fact, the more muscle you get, the easier it'll b to lose fat. so, from here, if you want to tell me some more info, i'd be happy to help you. i would like to make sure that your diet is in order, as well as your training. from there, i can give you some suggestions on drugs that will help you with your goals. so if you want some help here, post your diet. you need to put the times of day you eat. what the portion sizes, when you train. what your training split looks like. how old you are and how tall you are. based off your post, i can guess you weigh 260, right?

if you dont already know your meal timing and portion sizes, then the first step is to keep a food journal. we can give you a few days to do that, then i'll take a look at your most average day. you have to know what you're eating now, if you want to make changes!

I am definitely a beginner in let's say weight training. First I have to lose approximately 80 pounds to get down to around 180, but would it be ok for me to start my first cycle of test even though I don't havee years of experience under my belt and am plateauing? Also would anything help me on my cut in your opinion? Pls pm me cause I find it hard to find my post on my phone with your answers.....thank you and all help is appreciated!

[flyNhigh]

I am definitely a beginner in let's say weight training. First I have to lose approximately 80 pounds to get down to around 180, but would it be ok for me to start my first cycle of test even though I don't havee years of experience under my belt and am plateauing? Also would anything help me on my cut in your opinion? Pls pm me cause I find it hard to find my post on my phone with your answers.....thank you and all help is appreciated!

[dolce4]

thanks, the feeling has gone away...I started taking .5 Arimidex every 2 days. did my lab results and everything came elevated by 10+.

[Anabolic_III]

no matter how short or how long, hcg wont hurt. its just to help you keep from getting too shut down to begin with...keep your body used to producing test. outside of that, no, i cant think of anything ele that'll make your PCT substantially better than a SERM alone

If I can't get hcg by the time my cycle ends...will Nolva hold me over enough to not lose all of my gains? or should I through in some Tribulus caps just to be safe?

[sam1976]

no matter how short or how long, hcg wont hurt. its just to help you keep from getting too shut down to begin with...keep your body used to producing test. outside of that, no, i cant think of anything ele that'll make your PCT substantially better than a SERM alone

[Anabolic_III]

Hi Sam,
I have another quick question...if I am running a cycle for 10wks..is Nolva enough for my PCT to get my natural testosterone jumpstarted? I have the estrogen issues covered so I am concerned about jumpstarting my nat test after my cycle. I don't want to use HCG because my cycle is only for 10wks. Thank you!

[Anabolic_III]

ok perfect. i see now. forgive me if you said that and i missed it. the low carbs from the past few days had me in a fog lol. in this case, great. i would go as far as run it for 4 wks then. thats a good minimal amount of time. 2-3 wks wont do much. it'll take a couple wks just to see the compound's full effect. just keep the dose down and you should be ok, as long as you liver is healthy to begin with. if you do have an existing liver condition, then maybe orals arent the best bet. there are fast acting injects like GP's TNE that will kick in pretty much instantly without the strain of being an 17AA oral.

best of luck with the cycle bro!

Thank I will run it for 4 weeks at a low dose Thank you for the advice Sam!!

[sam1976]

Thank you Sam! I just wanted to take the dbol for about 2-3weeks when I first inject, until my tren and sust kick in.

ok perfect. i see now. forgive me if you said that and i missed it. the low carbs from the past few days had me in a fog lol. in this case, great. i would go as far as run it for 4 wks then. thats a good minimal amount of time. 2-3 wks wont do much. it'll take a couple wks just to see the compound's full effect. just keep the dose down and you should be ok, as long as you liver is healthy to begin with. if you do have an existing liver condition, then maybe orals arent the best bet. there are fast acting injects like GP's TNE that will kick in pretty much instantly without the strain of being an 17AA oral.

best of luck with the cycle bro!

[sagerboy87]

You cutting? If so, cram more intense cardio in with HIIT (High intensity interval training), i do 20 minutes of this and i'm absolutely depleted. i do 85% of my max heart rate for 2 minutes, then down to 60% for 2 minutes, i keep cycling this for 20-30 minutes. Its absolutely great cardio. Don't focus as much on the time aspect as the intensity aspect. I know guys that spend 3 hours here in the gym, but they get next to nothing done, and i guarantee they go and brag about how they spend 3 hours at the gym. I could do their workout in 40 minutes easy, and burn 3 times the calories they do, if not more than that. To me, the variable i always manipulate for my clients is intensity. Intensity can be weight, or rep volume or amount of sets, or speed for cardio. make sure to keep a workout tracker, and track all your numbers. When off gear, make sure to incorporate a deload week as well to let your body recoup and come back even stronger. Use forced reps, drop sets, supersets, every kind of set, to make your workout as intense as you can. If your goal is bulking, of course you will take more time between sets, but still make it as intense as you can my friend.

And remember, just one variable at a time, don't make it more confusing than it has to be.