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    LAfitness
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  • LAfitness
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    Summer cutting cycle

    Hey Sam. Been following you for a while now and I have a cycle in mind I wanna ask you about. Looking to start a cutting cycle for around 12 weeks:

    Cycle:

    *Test cyp week 1-12 -------1 cc everyMonday Thursday

    Winny Week 6-12----------40 mg or maybe 50mg??? ED

    GP Arimidex *0.25 mg EOD

    PCT:

    Nolva Week 14 -------------40 mg ED

    ********** Week15-17-----------20 mg ED

    I am also thinking about including Masteron injects or oral at the end of the cycle. How do I include that in my cycle? Dose, and for how many weeks? *And can Masteron be injected together with Test Cyp in one syringe? Is Masteron oral as effective?

    Thanks BUD!

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  • Frazer
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  • Frazer
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    Sam

    Well, I completed my first cycle of EQ and Test prop. The T prop mad me very sore at times but it depended on where I pinned. All in all good results with good mass retention. My PCT was little rough. I had all of the right gear but man did I have issues with Labido after about a month off. Took a long time to get back up to speed. These long cycles can be tough.

    I have a couple things I need help with.

    I know time ON equals time OFF as a rule. I usually start counting time off when ALL PCT is complete. Is that what you do??

    Second: I have my gear for next two cycles but have question about my HCG. It did not come with sterile water. Do you have site where I can get it? I had issues last time trying to figure out the math for injection. My HCG vials contain 5000iu per vial they are 2ml vials. I think I can get the 250iu I need per pin by using insuline pins. If I remember you said the first line (tick )on the slin pin is about 250iu correct?

    Thanks Sam
    Fraz

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  • dp12
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  • dp12
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    Sam,

    I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. So let me get this straight as I'm trying to get some gear right now. What do you think of this cycle

    Test E - week 1-10 500 mg/week
    Primo- week 1-10 400 mg/week
    Arimidex- can you recommend dosage and frequency
    winstrol- week 5 - 10 50 mg e/d
    hcg & nolvadex - pct

    would you go with the winstrol or would you go with anavar? Once again thank you for your help and suggestions

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  • UH2007
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    Sam, do you have any experience with ipamorelin? Picked up 10 2mg bottles last week after hearing lots of good feedback from a couple buddies, but seems like a lot of contradicting information out there as far as effective dosage and pinning schedule. Also was told elevated insulin levels will negate or cancel out effect of ipamorelin so need to carb fast at least 2 hours prior to pinning, any truth to this that you know of? Much appreciation if you're able to advise bro.

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  • Shadow Shard
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  • Shadow Shard
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    personally, i would stay away from the winny for a lean bulk. it dries everything out and IMO, though it really adds a great cosmetic effect to the dieted down athlete, its not ideal for guys trying to still push around dangerously heavy weights and grow
    So Masteron would be a better substitute? I want the look of winny, but I don't wanna sacrifice my strength due to joint pains. I stay away from exercises that hurt my joints anyway. Squats/leg press doesn't hurt my knees. SKULLCRUSHERS on the other hand really put a strain on my joints, so I don't even bother with them. There are plenty of tricep exercises to do other than skullcrushers. Again, would masteron be a better substitute for Winny? Test/Tren/Winny or Test/Tren/Masteron? BTW, thanks for answering my question about Anadrol. I really really really like this stuff, hehe.

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by dp12 View Post
    I'm looking to do a cycle to gain some lean mass but get shredded. I was thinking of taking test prop with primo and anavar. I was wondering what you think of this. If I could use a test without retaining so much water I would stay away from Prop because I know I have to take it every other day. I'm 31 y/o, 205lbs, 6'0". I've used some gear in the past but nothing over the top. If you suggest anything else I'd deeply appreciate it. I was even thinking of taking winstrol in place of the anavar. Any feedback is greatly appreciated it.
    in my current avatar pic...i know its small...but trust me when i say i was dry. i was/am running a pretty high amount of test e. the key is estrogen control. use enough AI and you dont have to worry about water retention. primo/var sounds like a classic mild cycle. you could consider using EQ and test e for 16 wks. maybe throw in some var or tbol for the first 6-8 wks. that would be a good lean growth cycle. really, so much of the result is gonna come down to diet and estrogen control though. you could really run just about anything and manipulate it to get the results you wanted. personally, i would stay away from the winny for a lean bulk. it dries everything out and IMO, though it really adds a great cosmetic effect to the dieted down athlete, its not ideal for guys trying to still push around dangerously heavy weights and grow

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    hey bro, welcome to JM. let me back things up a bit here. for cosmetic purposes, using AAS is mainly to help us gain more size or to support the size we have while we diet down. if you're currently natural and dont want to get any bigger, AAS may not be what you're looking for. AAS dont make us lose fat. fat loss and getting shredded comes from diet and cardio. if you just want to lose fat, you would probably be better off with fat burning drugs, like clen and possibly t3. as long as you are already on a diet and cardio plan to facilitate fat loss, these things will speed up the process. if you use AAS for the first time, you are going to grow to an extent, if you are training and eating enough food.

    let me take this further though...lets say you still wanna use steroids. this cycle is an awful idea for a new user. believe me when i tell you that you dont want to do ED injects, or even EOD inject. not on your first cycle. especially with prop. test prop can make it feel like you got hit with a bat. it can make it impossible to sit on that ass cheek for a wk, no joke. all aas can cause major pain for a new user, injecting into virgin muscle, but prop would be awful. plus, you'll need to learn how to use about 6 seperate injection sites for EOD inject. 2nd, you dont want to do tren for your first cycle...or your second...or your probably third for that matter. very rough drug with lots of side effects. 3rd, several times in this thread, i've covered why you dont want to use 2-3 different steroids in your first cycle.

    so what would be ideal? for your goals? a low dose of test e with an AI. lets say 300-350mg test e with adex at somewhere between .25mg to .5mg EOD. from here, add your clen and t3. this cycle will keep you fairly dry and get your ripped looking with the right diet/cardio plan


    Originally posted by HOOCH256 View Post
    There is so much useful info on this site, and i have spent a lot of time browsing stuff i think my head is going to exploded, and id hate to be the newb that makes a tread for one question! Anyways im 6'2'' 185lbs low bf% not sure how low, but im not looking to get huge by any means i like my size now i just wanna be more cut looking and i found this stack on napsgear and was thinking it might be fitting for my needs, what do you think?? or do you have another suggestion????

    Testosterone Propionate: 50mg
    Drostanolone Propionate: 50mg
    Trenbolone Acetate: 50mg

    150-300mg every 1 – 3 days.

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    yes sir, i have used GO drol 2 times. the first time i ran 50mg and blew up to my all time heaviest on the scale. i used it again in the last year. this time at 100mg. once again, blew up and was super strong. i eventually stopped taking it early because i was getting physical pain in my liver. 8 wks later, my liver values were back to normal lol. i learned my lesson though and will not go beyond 1 tab a day. i have a pack of their drol stashed away for my next off season cycle, where i plan to combine it with GP's TNE and NPP

    Originally posted by Shadow Shard View Post
    Sam,

    I have a quick question. Have you ever used GP Anadrol? If you have, how long does it take before you "NOTICE" anything FOR YOURSELF? I'm currently on the fifth day @50mg. I'm bumping it up to 100mg/day starting on Day 8. Thanks for your time, Sam.

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    on or off gear, i work out every body part about once a wk. i usually train on about a 5 day split. on average i do 4 exercises for 4 sets per muscle. sometimes more, depending on how i feel and what muscle i'm training. so for the most part, you could call me a volume trainer. this works well for me. when i'm on gear, my recovery may be better, but i am also able to put a harder beating on the muscle i'm training. anymore than 1 time a wk, i get over trained. you will find that for many of us, less is often more. its easy to over train.

    Originally posted by sagerboy87 View Post
    Sam

    I was wondering about your lifting routing on and off cycle. I recently came across a trainer that has been training bodybuilders for some time. He told me, that while natural, one should only work a muscle group one time a week, thus doing like a 5 or 6 day split. I have been doing a 2 day split (full body over two days), and he almost yelled at me, lol. I haven't started my cycle yet, still waiting on product. Should my routine on and off gear be substantially different? TBH, when i do my 2 day split, i can tell when i'm over training, and i take time off when i feel it. I love the gym, and i just can't only go 3 times a week.
    I'm not new to lifting by any means. I"ve been consistent for years. the only thing that has ever kept me back from having an amazing physique is the diet. In the past i never cared to get crazy shredded, so i just always ate at maintenance. Now i'm on the goal for competing and winning shows, so obviously my diet has changed, and i'm gaining ground on my goals.
    So i guess my questions of this message are: What should the difference be in my workout both on and off gear? Would u advise me to only work one muscle group a week, even on gear? And, is a 2 day split a dumb idea while not on gear?

    Thanks for any input my friend.

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  • dp12
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  • dp12
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    Question about a cycle I want to try

    I'm looking to do a cycle to gain some lean mass but get shredded. I was thinking of taking test prop with primo and anavar. I was wondering what you think of this. If I could use a test without retaining so much water I would stay away from Prop because I know I have to take it every other day. I'm 31 y/o, 205lbs, 6'0". I've used some gear in the past but nothing over the top. If you suggest anything else I'd deeply appreciate it. I was even thinking of taking winstrol in place of the anavar. Any feedback is greatly appreciated it.

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    man, i wish i had an answer for you. i went a long time with never having had the cough and then after having gotten it really bad once, i've been more likely to get it on a regular basis. i get it from masteron just as much as from tren. instead of trying to push in one oil, then the next, maybe shaking it to mix it up may diluting it in the prop and help to cut the effect? this is just a guess. the one thing i have found is that the slower i inject, the less likely i am to get the cough. if i do start to get it, i can stop injecting as i feel it coming on. its believed by many that the cough is solvents being expelled through the lungs...whatever it is, i wouldnt shed a tear if i never felt it again! best of luck


    Originally posted by xamo View Post
    Hey bro, I guess it's my turn to ask for advice now.

    As you know I'm on a tren A test P cycle, I usually pin 1 cc of each EOD that I mix together so I pin the 2ccs at once. Anyway, in 6 weeks I never had the tren cough, but it's been 2 weeks I'm having it every single time. I usually make sure the Test P is the thing I inject first, but whatever I do the compounds mix themselves so doesn't really do shit to be honest. I'm wondering if you could advise me, is there anything i can do to help prevent the cough? I trained myself to try to control it but it really depends on the amount of tren that goes into the blood stream- sometimes I really can't control it for shit.

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  • HOOCH256
    Member

  • HOOCH256
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    There is so much useful info on this site, and i have spent a lot of time browsing stuff i think my head is going to exploded, and id hate to be the newb that makes a tread for one question! Anyways im 6'2'' 185lbs low bf% not sure how low, but im not looking to get huge by any means i like my size now i just wanna be more cut looking and i found this stack on napsgear and was thinking it might be fitting for my needs, what do you think?? or do you have another suggestion????

    Testosterone Propionate: 50mg
    Drostanolone Propionate: 50mg
    Trenbolone Acetate: 50mg

    150-300mg every 1 – 3 days.

    Leave a comment:

  • Shadow Shard
    Member

  • Shadow Shard
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    Sam,

    I have a quick question. Have you ever used GP Anadrol? If you have, how long does it take before you "NOTICE" anything FOR YOURSELF? I'm currently on the fifth day @50mg. I'm bumping it up to 100mg/day starting on Day 8. Thanks for your time, Sam.

    Leave a comment:

  • sagerboy87
    Senior Member

  • sagerboy87
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    Sam

    I was wondering about your lifting routing on and off cycle. I recently came across a trainer that has been training bodybuilders for some time. He told me, that while natural, one should only work a muscle group one time a week, thus doing like a 5 or 6 day split. I have been doing a 2 day split (full body over two days), and he almost yelled at me, lol. I haven't started my cycle yet, still waiting on product. Should my routine on and off gear be substantially different? TBH, when i do my 2 day split, i can tell when i'm over training, and i take time off when i feel it. I love the gym, and i just can't only go 3 times a week.
    I'm not new to lifting by any means. I"ve been consistent for years. the only thing that has ever kept me back from having an amazing physique is the diet. In the past i never cared to get crazy shredded, so i just always ate at maintenance. Now i'm on the goal for competing and winning shows, so obviously my diet has changed, and i'm gaining ground on my goals.
    So i guess my questions of this message are: What should the difference be in my workout both on and off gear? Would u advise me to only work one muscle group a week, even on gear? And, is a 2 day split a dumb idea while not on gear?

    Thanks for any input my friend.

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  • xamo
    Senior Member

  • xamo
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    Hey bro, I guess it's my turn to ask for advice now.

    As you know I'm on a tren A test P cycle, I usually pin 1 cc of each EOD that I mix together so I pin the 2ccs at once. Anyway, in 6 weeks I never had the tren cough, but it's been 2 weeks I'm having it every single time. I usually make sure the Test P is the thing I inject first, but whatever I do the compounds mix themselves so doesn't really do shit to be honest. I'm wondering if you could advise me, is there anything i can do to help prevent the cough? I trained myself to try to control it but it really depends on the amount of tren that goes into the blood stream- sometimes I really can't control it for shit.
    xamo
    Senior Member
    Last edited by xamo; 04-19-2012, 11:31 PM.

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