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    Frazer
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  • Frazer
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    Thanks Sam

    The information you gave me was a great help THANKS!!

    I will post in the AAS section to ask other members about the UG labs.

    Thanks
    Fraz

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  • xamo
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    Hey Sam and thanks for the prompt reply! I'll have to find out about his blood test. I'm not stubborn and definitely want the safest way to reach my goal. As I'm also pretty new at this, I'm probably just going to stick with the Test-E, and Dbol. I appreciate it!

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  • sam1976
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    there are a lot of reasons i dont like this.
    as far as a test base, there are many reasons we suggest sing test, at least in a low dose, here is one example. we had a guy here who insisted on runniing winny oral only for his cycle. we talked to him till we were blue in the face, but he dint want to listen. several wks in, he was wondering why he would having trouble preforming in bed. see, your natural test production stops when you're using AAS. winny and dbol arent going to work for your body, the way that test will.

    organ damage. 8 wks of orals is not a good way to run your cycles. what were his liver values when he had blood work run during his cycle? this is the only way to know what effect the drugs are having on the liver. worse yet, orals, especially winny, is very hard on your cholesterol profile. it can knock your good down to single digits in just a few wks. this is what leads to heart desiese. once again, the only way to know if this is going on is to have blood work done on cycle. these are the big reasons to use orals as "icing on the cake". use them sparingly. if test is your base, you can use lower doses of an oral and get a better effect than using higher doses of an oral alone. one cycle like this might not kill you, but if this is the kind of cycling you do, you are going to risk a lot more heath issues over the long haul. you dont want to regrete your actions in 20 yrs, beleive me.

    number of drugs. you have a lot going on here. with all these compounds going back to back and overlaping, if you run into side effects, you are going to have a much harder time knowing what drug is causing what effect. this is why its important to keep it simple. if you were to do 10 wks of test, with possibly a 4 wk dbol kick start, you would make much better gains. how well you maintain them comes down to many factors like diet and how big you were to begain with.

    there are a few more points that i want to make, but i'm going to stop here. i will add that the last 2 wks of var would be a complete waste of time. it takes about 10 days or so to really kick in, and thats when you're using 60+mg. you'll never feel a thing from 30mg for 2 wks. evern if you stillw anna run this, i would save your money there

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  • xamo
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    Well this will be my first post in this topic... so before I even start I want to say that I do realize that one should definitely implement test in his cycle for best gains, I do however would like to ask about this oral only cycle my friend does. He's told me he's had amazing gains while on it, that his liver was also quite fine and that he didn't lose much while and after PCT. So here it is...

    Week 1-6 : Dbol 30-40 mg/day
    Week 3-8: Win 25-50 mg/day
    Week 6-8: var 30-40 mg/day
    Week 9 : Nolva 40 mg/day
    Week 10-11: Nolva 20 mg/day

    What do you think of it? I do know everyone is different and may get different results depending on the time spent at the gym and the diet but overall ?

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  • sam1976
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    hey cove, so let me get this straight, do you have enough of each to run for 3 seperate cycles? i am not sure of euro, but later axio and GS are both supposed to be good products. if you have enough of each to run 3 cycles, i would go with either the axio of the GS. if not, i might consider using both at once. for instance, lets say you're doing 2cc a wk of test, i'd do 1cc GS on monday and 1cc axio on thurs. just how i would do it to avoid going up or down when 1 brand runs out and you switch to the other.

    Originally posted by Coveboy View Post
    Hi Sam,

    I'm starting a new cycle of Test Cyp, Dbol and Winni at the end of the month.

    My issue is i have a few different Test Cyp brands and i dont know which one to use since i never tried them before. The only one I have used is Geneza.

    Can you help with which brand you think is the best to use?

    Gen-Shi Test Cyp
    Axiolabs Testaplex (Test Cyp)
    Euro Pharmacies Test Cyp

    Thanks,
    Coveboy

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  • Coveboy
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    Hi Sam,

    I'm starting a new cycle of Test Cyp, Dbol and Winni at the end of the month.

    My issue is i have a few different Test Cyp brands and i dont know which one to use since i never tried them before. The only one I have used is Geneza.

    Can you help with which brand you think is the best to use?

    Gen-Shi Test Cyp
    Axiolabs Testaplex (Test Cyp)
    Euro Pharmacies Test Cyp

    Thanks,
    Coveboy

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  • sam1976
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    hey bro, i have heard of CLP, but dont know them. have not heard of wildcat. i would suggest making a thread about the two labs in the general AAS section so that you might get more feedback on these labs. i dont know much about either of them. once i find a lab i trust i stick with tthem. because of that, i dont have a lot of experience with labs outside of GP and one other private lab.

    as far as experation dates on UGL gear...its hard to say. there is no true experation date because it wasn't made in a legit pharm grade setting. that being said, you should be fine. the experation date of a pharm grade drug is kind of a statement that said steroid will contain xmg of hormone per ML. after that time frame, it may begin to slowlly get weaker over time. with most drugs, you are fine taking expired units. its things like antibiotics that can cause issues. not so with steroids.

    as far as CLP being less oily, that is common with UGLs. they use thin carriers like EO which has a much higher viscosity than tradititional cotton seed oil preperations.

    lastly, you can mix any oil based gear with any other oil based gear, no problem at all. i do it every shot, every cycle! you may find that if your prop is painful, the eq will reduce the pain.

    Originally posted by Frazer View Post
    I have picked up some WC and CLP gear. Is this gear quality ANYONE???

    Also I notice that my Test prop has experation date of 1/2012 and 2/2012

    How long do I have past experation date do I have???? Cylce will take me past this date..!!

    CLP test prop seems to be less oily (less thick) then other stuff I have used in past. Stuff is more fluid like. Should I mix with some oil when pinning the Test Prop??

    Last and important.....Can I mix Test Prop and EQ in same pin or do I need to do one of each????

    Thanks bro
    Fraz

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  • Frazer
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  • Frazer
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    SAM What do you know about WildCat and CLP gear

    I have picked up some WC and CLP gear. Is this gear quality ANYONE???

    Also I notice that my Test prop has experation date of 1/2012 and 2/2012

    How long do I have past experation date do I have???? Cylce will take me past this date..!!

    CLP test prop seems to be less oily (less thick) then other stuff I have used in past. Stuff is more fluid like. Should I mix with some oil when pinning the Test Prop??

    Last and important.....Can I mix Test Prop and EQ in same pin or do I need to do one of each????

    Thanks bro
    Fraz

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  • Dwreck
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    i dont know your body so i cant say how you respond to food. i know for myself, i would continue to eat every 2 hrs, take advantage of my fast metabolism and eat more than before. i would take my contest diet and start by upping the carbs and eatting fattier meats like the red meats you've outlined above. i want my system to constantly be burning through the food. that way, i'm getting the most out of everything i eat. just dont eat so much that you get fat!

    since i dont know your cycle history, i cant say if this is a good cycle for you. assuming your pretty experienced, then yes, i like it. i might take the dbol down a little. i find that for me, 40 or 50 mg isnt much better than 30. i usually take 30mg dbol and it works well for me. i would probably do 30mg for 6 wks. i would extend it to 16 wks to make the most of the eq. eq can take awhile to kick in and your cycle may be half over before you get much out of it. if you are experienced with bodybuilder and AAS, 20 lbs of lean stage ready muscle just isnt gonna happen. how tall are you and how long have you been competing?

    I actually just started this year. And i'm 5'9. I also did decide to up it to 16 weeks and drag out the dbol at 30mg/day for 6 weeks, and the test e 1-6 and the sust 6-16 along with eq being 16 as well.

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  • iPenetratah
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    i used it twice. first time was on a cut. i loved it. only problem with 1 t cyp is the length it takes to kick in. once it does though, i found it makes me remain full and vascular. it isnt a wicked powerful drug like deca or tren. more mild, but the quality of the muscle looks good while dieting. i also think it worked well in a bulking program. it looks like you have enough going on though. strength is good from it but because it tends to be a more moderate drug, i'd be afraid it would just get lost in the mix of your test/deca/eq program.
    i think a good cutter would involve using something else with it that is faster acting to get the ball rolling while you wait 5 wks for the 1 test cyp to kick in. maybe an oral? maybe NPP?
    Cool, thanks for the suggestions.

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by dolce4 View Post
    anavar is ridiculously expensive! realized geneza products are not available anymore, have you heard any reviews about hard core or gen shi labs?
    i've seen good reviews on gen shi labs around the net. i havent heard about harcore though. if naps carries them though, i am sure they are good. they wouldnt risk their messing up they rep by carrying poor quality gear.

    as far as orals for a transformation...hmmmm, lets see. how about tbol. anything would work though with the right diet.

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by iPenetratah View Post
    Finally received my 1-t cyp...however I started an eq, deca, and test cycle. Wait for another cycle or add to stack? And if I wait, my next cycle is a cut. Is this compound good for a cut?
    i used it twice. first time was on a cut. i loved it. only problem with 1 t cyp is the length it takes to kick in. once it does though, i found it makes me remain full and vascular. it isnt a wicked powerful drug like deca or tren. more mild, but the quality of the muscle looks good while dieting. i also think it worked well in a bulking program. it looks like you have enough going on though. strength is good from it but because it tends to be a more moderate drug, i'd be afraid it would just get lost in the mix of your test/deca/eq program.
    i think a good cutter would involve using something else with it that is faster acting to get the ball rolling while you wait 5 wks for the 1 test cyp to kick in. maybe an oral? maybe NPP?

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  • sam1976
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    i dont know your body so i cant say how you respond to food. i know for myself, i would continue to eat every 2 hrs, take advantage of my fast metabolism and eat more than before. i would take my contest diet and start by upping the carbs and eatting fattier meats like the red meats you've outlined above. i want my system to constantly be burning through the food. that way, i'm getting the most out of everything i eat. just dont eat so much that you get fat!

    since i dont know your cycle history, i cant say if this is a good cycle for you. assuming your pretty experienced, then yes, i like it. i might take the dbol down a little. i find that for me, 40 or 50 mg isnt much better than 30. i usually take 30mg dbol and it works well for me. i would probably do 30mg for 6 wks. i would extend it to 16 wks to make the most of the eq. eq can take awhile to kick in and your cycle may be half over before you get much out of it. if you are experienced with bodybuilder and AAS, 20 lbs of lean stage ready muscle just isnt gonna happen. how tall are you and how long have you been competing?



    Originally posted by Dwreck View Post
    Quick question for ya Sam.
    Im going to be running a cycle to try to gain about 20lbs of lean muscle over then next 8 months. I walk around at 5'9 195, and im 165 3% on stage. I wanna be 185-190 on stage by august next year. The first portion of my cycle will include. this entire time ill be running HGH as high as I can go without to serious of sides (guessing im going to get up to 10ui ed 5 on 2 off ) for 8 months.

    week 1-6 test en 750mg
    week 6-12 sust 900mg
    week 1-4 50mg dbol
    week 1-12 600mg eq
    week 1-12 250mg deca (for joints)

    Then PCT +4 weeks so 8 weeks later hit another cycle (Im gonna try to get as much as I can out of the HGH)
    My blood type is O so I can digest and absorb more proteins than other blood types. so currently my diet is

    Meal 1 - 8 egg whites 2 whole eggs 4oz steak/ground sirloin
    Meal 2 post workout - 60g protein shake with 90 carbs
    meal 3 - 13 oz of chicken 1 1/2 cup brown rice 6oz greenbeans
    meal 4 - 13 oz of ground beef with 2 sweet potatoes (love to mix em all up to a yummy mush haha)
    meal 5 - protein shake with BCAA complex 50g protein
    only doing 5 big meals right now because i just finished a competition and my metabolism is redic so im trying to slow it down.

    Would like some one elses advice on how im doing.
    sam1976
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    Last edited by sam1976; 10-10-2011, 02:00 AM.

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  • iPenetratah
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    Finally received my 1-t cyp...however I started an eq, deca, and test cycle. Wait for another cycle or add to stack? And if I wait, my next cycle is a cut. Is this compound good for a cut?

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  • Dwreck
    Junior Member

  • Dwreck
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    Quick question for ya Sam.
    Im going to be running a cycle to try to gain about 20lbs of lean muscle over then next 8 months. I walk around at 5'9 195, and im 165 3% on stage. I wanna be 185-190 on stage by august next year. The first portion of my cycle will include. this entire time ill be running HGH as high as I can go without to serious of sides (guessing im going to get up to 10ui ed 5 on 2 off ) for 8 months.

    week 1-6 test en 750mg
    week 6-12 sust 900mg
    week 1-4 50mg dbol
    week 1-12 600mg eq
    week 1-12 250mg deca (for joints)

    Then PCT +4 weeks so 8 weeks later hit another cycle (Im gonna try to get as much as I can out of the HGH)
    My blood type is O so I can digest and absorb more proteins than other blood types. so currently my diet is

    Meal 1 - 8 egg whites 2 whole eggs 4oz steak/ground sirloin
    Meal 2 post workout - 60g protein shake with 90 carbs
    meal 3 - 13 oz of chicken 1 1/2 cup brown rice 6oz greenbeans
    meal 4 - 13 oz of ground beef with 2 sweet potatoes (love to mix em all up to a yummy mush haha)
    meal 5 - protein shake with BCAA complex 50g protein
    only doing 5 big meals right now because i just finished a competition and my metabolism is redic so im trying to slow it down.

    Would like some one elses advice on how im doing.

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