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    HOOCH256
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  • HOOCH256
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    Thanks for the heads up Sam I ordered that stack but will hold off now after hearing your opinion on it! I'm not scared of an EOD injection, always been good with shots! But I'm going to try to put together the stack you recommended! Cant thank you enough for the awesome advice you provide!!!!

    Well I think I put together one based off your info let me know what you think!?

    Weeks 1-10 500mg test E (1ml twice a week)
    Weeks 5-10 50mg oxan per day
    weeks 1-13 .5mg adex per day

    Maybe even throw in a lil primo? !? What's your thoughts?

    Also I'm still learning all the acronyms here so if you could keep it simple would help me out
    HOOCH256
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    Last edited by HOOCH256; 07-10-2012, 06:46 AM.

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  • Mclovin13
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    No Krazy I welcome any feedback and thank you. Ik so at 1ML EOD would that get good results or should I go 1.5?? I've never tried this cycle before and just figured that I need higher MGs like i said im not looking to get bug just lose some fight and add sime lean muscle..Sam I gotta be honest I'm not big on ED lol.. EOD is gonna be hard enough lol.. What's your thoughts on the T3/clen combo? I never ran T3 before but have clen..

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by Mclovin13 View Post
    Ok Sam I have 3 bottles of Cut Stack from Quality Labs.. Also picked up some GP Clen and GP T3 as well as Novaldex for a PCT.. I was thinking of doing a 6 week cycle.. My thoughts were doing 2cc on Mon. 1cc Wed 2cc Fri for 6 weeks.. What's your thoughts in that? Also how would you run the clen/T3? I'm 38 I have a few cycles under my belt.. 6ft 1 227 about 20% bf.. Just looking to lean up and drop some fat... Thanks
    i prefer ED injects with these compounds, especially with tren ace. at the least, i would split it into EOD injections and use the same amount every time. you'll find that 3 days a wk, not to mention using various doses in each injection, is going to be way more likely to cause unwanted side effects. you want to keep your blood levels as stable as possible and the chance of sides will go way down

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  • Krazy
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  • Krazy
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    I know you are asking Sam Mclovin, but I feel compelled to jump in. I have lots of experience with Cut Stack... I would recommend 1 ml to 1.5 ml EOD. The short acting Esters are going to hit pretty damn hard at 2 ml per... If you have any desire to sleep at all, I would really think about this...

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  • Mclovin13
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    Ok Sam I have 3 bottles of Cut Stack from Quality Labs.. Also picked up some GP Clen and GP T3 as well as Novaldex for a PCT.. I was thinking of doing a 6 week cycle.. My thoughts were doing 2cc on Mon. 1cc Wed 2cc Fri for 6 weeks.. What's your thoughts in that? Also how would you run the clen/T3? I'm 38 I have a few cycles under my belt.. 6ft 1 227 about 20% bf.. Just looking to lean up and drop some fat... Thanks

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  • LAfitness
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  • LAfitness
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    Thanks Sam

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by LAfitness View Post
    I see, I would prolly do that.

    Final question: Should I add Clomid to Nolva for PCT (weeks 14-17) to be 100% safe? or Nolva alone would be sufficient?
    IMO, both work very similar for our needs. if you wanted to put more into your recovery, add in HCG, 250IU 2x a wk through the cycle

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  • LAfitness
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    I see, I would prolly do that.

    Final question: Should I add Clomid to Nolva for PCT (weeks 14-17) to be 100% safe? or Nolva alone would be sufficient?

    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    the idea of using clen in PCT is that based off some animal studies, it had shown to produce an anti catabolic effect. the idea of using it post cycle, is that we can slow muscle loss. people who practice this will use 40mcg for about 4 wks straight. the 2 wk on/2 wk off school of thinking has to do more with using clen for fat loss and letting the receptors get resensitized. on a side note, i personally dont subscribe to using clen in that way. this is a whole other conversation, but i have gotten an amazing effect by just slowly ramping up my clen dose over about a 12 wk duration, starting at 20-40mcg and going up by 20mcg every wk or 2. never going beyond 120mcg

    personally, i wouldnt use it in PCT, but if you're cutting i would certainly use it in my cycle, as i described above

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  • sam1976
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    the idea of using clen in PCT is that based off some animal studies, it had shown to produce an anti catabolic effect. the idea of using it post cycle, is that we can slow muscle loss. people who practice this will use 40mcg for about 4 wks straight. the 2 wk on/2 wk off school of thinking has to do more with using clen for fat loss and letting the receptors get resensitized. on a side note, i personally dont subscribe to using clen in that way. this is a whole other conversation, but i have gotten an amazing effect by just slowly ramping up my clen dose over about a 12 wk duration, starting at 20-40mcg and going up by 20mcg every wk or 2. never going beyond 120mcg

    personally, i wouldnt use it in PCT, but if you're cutting i would certainly use it in my cycle, as i described above

    Originally posted by LAfitness View Post
    Sounds good Sam. What about PCT though? Nolva week 14-17 would be enough?

    I also heard clen can be used after being done with the cycle a part of PCT...something like 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. What your take on that?

    I appreciate your help. Learned great deal on This thread

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  • LAfitness
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  • LAfitness
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    Sounds good Sam. What about PCT though? Nolva week 14-17 would be enough?

    I also heard clen can be used after being done with the cycle a part of PCT...something like 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. What your take on that?

    I appreciate your help. Learned great deal on This thread

    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    ok bro, in that case, if you want to use masteron in this cycle, i would go something like this...

    wks 1-12
    Test E 500mg EW
    adex .5mgEOD...if you feel you're still retaining too much water, you can up it to .5mg ED while cutting

    5-12
    masteron p 100mg EOD

    because the masteron is injected EOD, i would personally probably break my test e down into EOD shots so that every time i inject, i'm doing the same thing instead of doing 2cc one day and 1 cc the next time. you can simple inlect 1cc materon and .5cc test on every shot and you'll be good...you dont have to do it that way. its just what i do to keep everything simple. make sure you're rotating your sites

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  • sam1976
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    ok bro, in that case, if you want to use masteron in this cycle, i would go something like this...

    wks 1-12
    Test E 500mg EW
    adex .5mgEOD...if you feel you're still retaining too much water, you can up it to .5mg ED while cutting

    5-12
    masteron p 100mg EOD

    because the masteron is injected EOD, i would personally probably break my test e down into EOD shots so that every time i inject, i'm doing the same thing instead of doing 2cc one day and 1 cc the next time. you can simple inlect 1cc materon and .5cc test on every shot and you'll be good...you dont have to do it that way. its just what i do to keep everything simple. make sure you're rotating your sites

    Originally posted by LAfitness View Post
    First cycle was 12 weeks.
    Test cyp 1cc every Monday and Thursday (week1-12)
    Adex .5 mg EOD
    PCT: Nolva week14: 40 mg, week 15-17: 20 mg.

    Thanks Sam

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  • LAfitness
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  • LAfitness
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    First cycle was 12 weeks.
    Test cyp 1cc every Monday and Thursday (week1-12)
    Adex .5 mg EOD
    PCT: Nolva week14: 40 mg, week 15-17: 20 mg.

    Thanks Sam

    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    what was your test dose for the first cycle? how much adex did you use?

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    what was your test dose for the first cycle? how much adex did you use?

    Originally posted by LAfitness View Post
    Sam,

    For my second cycle, I am thinking of running a cutting cycle later this summer or early fall. I was thinking maybe:
    - test (cyp or e?, what do you think?)
    - Masteron,
    - clen, and
    - adex.

    Sounds like a good mix to you?

    What dose and Combination do you recommend? How many weeks (12 maybe)?
    Never used Masteron or clen before, only test and adex for my first cycle.
    Also, what for PCT, is nolva only for 3-4 weeks ok?
    Thanks!!

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  • LAfitness
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  • LAfitness
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    Sam,

    For my second cycle, I am thinking of running a cutting cycle later this summer or early fall. I was thinking maybe:
    - test (cyp or e?, what do you think?)
    - Masteron,
    - clen, and
    - adex.

    Sounds like a good mix to you?

    What dose and Combination do you recommend? How many weeks (12 maybe)?
    Never used Masteron or clen before, only test and adex for my first cycle.
    Also, what for PCT, is nolva only for 3-4 weeks ok?
    Thanks!!

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    it depends on how your recovery is. if you have a hard time recovering from your cycles, a longer cycle is only going to make it that much harder to reset your natural test levels. on the note of recovery, tren can make recovering much harder than test only. you might want to consider adding in a little HCG around 250-500IU E3D or so

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