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  • JkW4244
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    hey bro, your cycle looks good. instead of trying to "cut" or "bulk", if you make eating clean your lifestyle and pay close attention to your diet, you can gain muscle(especially on a first cycle) while losing bodyfat. look at this as a transformation. you could add in the clen and t3 for your purposes, but i would keep the doses low, especially the t3. too much and you wont have a chance to gain much new muscle. start low with t3 like 1/2 tab and slowly work your way up, adding 1/2 every few wks. personally, i wouldnt go up past 50 mcg total and give yourself a few wks to tapper it back down. it looks like you have good choices of food. timing and portions for your individual body will determine how effective this program is. i would make sure you get 400 g of protein, eaten through the day, split every 2 hrs. do some cardio, slow steady state, heart rate around 125 bpm. start with 30min and slowly build that up through the cycle, doing no more than an hr a day. it should be just enough to off set the food and strike a balance between fat loss and muscle gain. this will take some experimenting. over the yrs though, you'll better understand how your body responds and what you need. i am 2 wks out from a show. i managed to lose a good amount of BF, get contest ready and still only weigh 1 or so lbs less on the scale, so far. that tells me i lost fat while gaining muscle. so dont go by the scale to judge your progress. go by the mirror. as far as training, i would focus on 1 body part a day, lifting heavy as you can for moderate and sometimes high reps. mostly around 8 reps. then pick a few sets to go higher. for legs, i usually seem to respond to higher reps with heavy weight. thats what works for me.

    thanks for the input first of all Sam... second from what you've said i think i'm just gonna cut out clen and t3 and possibly save them for later on down the road unless something drastic happens during the cycle where i bloat but i don't see that happening with t-bol and can control it with the arimidex.. 400 g's of protein is the goal, maybe even a little higher depending on my weight at the beginning of the cycle. currently my lift schedule looks like this:

    mon: heavy upper body (bench, military, bent over rows, and lat pulls) for 3-5 reps x 4 sets tues: heavy legs (squats, seated calf raises and dead lifts) 4 sext x 3-5 reps wed: cardio either stairmaster on "fat burn" mode or treadmill for 30 mins highest incline around 3-3.3 speed Thurs: light chest/back (bench, incline db, decline flyes, bent over rows, lat pulls and straight arm pull down) 3 sets x 8-12 reps Fri: light shoulders and arms (military, upright rows, shrugs and bent over cable rows/ barbell curls, d/b hammer and cable curls/ skull crushers, overhead d/b and one arm cable push down) 3 sets x 8-12 reps Sat: light legs (squats, seated calf raises and romanian deadlifts) 3 sets x 8-12 reps Sun: off so i'll probably try and incorporate something different to keep the body guessing.. as far as cardio do you switch it up a lot or keep it the same?

    i've seen a few of your pics and you look great by the way! haha i almost wish it was possible to go the entire time without a mirror or anything so i could see the potential progress, but i'll make sure to take photos throughout and log the whole thing. thanks for the help bud appreciate it a lot!

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    hey bro, your cycle looks good. instead of trying to "cut" or "bulk", if you make eating clean your lifestyle and pay close attention to your diet, you can gain muscle(especially on a first cycle) while losing bodyfat. look at this as a transformation. you could add in the clen and t3 for your purposes, but i would keep the doses low, especially the t3. too much and you wont have a chance to gain much new muscle. start low with t3 like 1/2 tab and slowly work your way up, adding 1/2 every few wks. personally, i wouldnt go up past 50 mcg total and give yourself a few wks to tapper it back down. it looks like you have good choices of food. timing and portions for your individual body will determine how effective this program is. i would make sure you get 400 g of protein, eaten through the day, split every 2 hrs. do some cardio, slow steady state, heart rate around 125 bpm. start with 30min and slowly build that up through the cycle, doing no more than an hr a day. it should be just enough to off set the food and strike a balance between fat loss and muscle gain. this will take some experimenting. over the yrs though, you'll better understand how your body responds and what you need. i am 2 wks out from a show. i managed to lose a good amount of BF, get contest ready and still only weigh 1 or so lbs less on the scale, so far. that tells me i lost fat while gaining muscle. so dont go by the scale to judge your progress. go by the mirror. as far as training, i would focus on 1 body part a day, lifting heavy as you can for moderate and sometimes high reps. mostly around 8 reps. then pick a few sets to go higher. for legs, i usually seem to respond to higher reps with heavy weight. thats what works for me.

    Originally posted by JkW4244 View Post
    i'm getting the cash together for my first cycle here pretty shortly cycle looks like this:

    test cyp weeks 1-10 500 mg, t-bol 50 mg weeks 1-4, and was considering using clen or t3 to harden up. i know you wanna run the least amount of gear possible in the beginning stages of the cycle so my question would be is adding clen or t3 to the base pf the cycle too much or would you recommend removing t-bol and adding clen or t3? and what does your inject schedule look like when running longer estered tests i've seen the set ones such as mon/thurs or sun/wed but also have heard of people injecting every 3 days. i'm gonna run arimidex at .5 every 3rd day and adjust as needed, i'm looking to cut with this one so i might run .25 EOD and adjust and for pct i plan on running nolva 2 weeks after first inject for 4 weeks at 20/20/20/10. as i said earlier i'm looking to cut so my diet i have layed out will look a little like this:

    Breakfast: 8 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1 serving peppers and spinach and 70 g oats; Brunch: 70 g carbs from either brown rice or sweet potatoes and 7 oz meat either fish, turkey or chicken; Post Work out: protein shake and waxy maize starch; Lunch: 7 oz meat again, 80 g complex carbs such as sweet potatoe, whole wheat pasta or brown rice, and 1 serving of veggies; Dinner: 7 oz meat, 1 serving veggies and 20 g fats from olive oil, almonds or avacados; Final meal: Casein shake and 20 g fats again

    training regime is still a work in progress bouncing back and forth between supersetting and a single body part per day and my current stats look like this:

    22 years old, 6 ft 205 lbs, i've been lifting for sports since high school but got more serious once i stopped playing about 4.5-5 years ago and according the infrared bodyfat scanner at the gym i'm about 17% hence the reason for the cutting cycle. it isn't the most accurate of measures due to taking the average of the scans but i'd rather think i'm higher to have the determination to burn more then think i am lower then i really am. thanks for the input big guy!
    sam1976
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  • JkW4244
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    i'm getting the cash together for my first cycle here pretty shortly cycle looks like this:

    test cyp weeks 1-10 500 mg, t-bol 50 mg weeks 1-4, and was considering using clen or t3 to harden up. i know you wanna run the least amount of gear possible in the beginning stages of the cycle so my question would be is adding clen or t3 to the base pf the cycle too much or would you recommend removing t-bol and adding clen or t3? and what does your inject schedule look like when running longer estered tests i've seen the set ones such as mon/thurs or sun/wed but also have heard of people injecting every 3 days. i'm gonna run arimidex at .5 every 3rd day and adjust as needed, i'm looking to cut with this one so i might run .25 EOD and adjust and for pct i plan on running nolva 2 weeks after first inject for 4 weeks at 20/20/20/10. as i said earlier i'm looking to cut so my diet i have layed out will look a little like this:

    Breakfast: 8 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1 serving peppers and spinach and 70 g oats; Brunch: 70 g carbs from either brown rice or sweet potatoes and 7 oz meat either fish, turkey or chicken; Post Work out: protein shake and waxy maize starch; Lunch: 7 oz meat again, 80 g complex carbs such as sweet potatoe, whole wheat pasta or brown rice, and 1 serving of veggies; Dinner: 7 oz meat, 1 serving veggies and 20 g fats from olive oil, almonds or avacados; Final meal: Casein shake and 20 g fats again

    training regime is still a work in progress bouncing back and forth between supersetting and a single body part per day and my current stats look like this:

    22 years old, 6 ft 205 lbs, i've been lifting for sports since high school but got more serious once i stopped playing about 4.5-5 years ago and according the infrared bodyfat scanner at the gym i'm about 17% hence the reason for the cutting cycle. it isn't the most accurate of measures due to taking the average of the scans but i'd rather think i'm higher to have the determination to burn more then think i am lower then i really am. thanks for the input big guy!

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  • Red Bull
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  • Red Bull
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    you have it all backwards. on your contest diet, you run the t3 and clen during the cycle. theyhelp burn fat. after the cycle is over, your done. why would you run it after the cycle? as far as tren shutting you down, yes it does. so does test and bold though. all steroids shut you down! you cant start pct until your done with the cycle. thats why its called POST cycle . you need to be off of all steroids in order for the pct meds to help
    Sam I am with ya I understand. I going to drop tren and go 250 test 600 bold for 16 total. then pct. When T3 and clem start I will do that too. Thanks Sir.

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by Red Bull View Post
    Yes sir i was just going to run 10 weeks then I found that Bold needs 16 weeks. I now that tren shuts ya down so i thought I run pct after tren. I was going to run T3 and Clem after cycle. Thanks for all the help Bro. Your wisdom is help so any thoughts I will stop winny.
    you have it all backwards. on your contest diet, you run the t3 and clen during the cycle. theyhelp burn fat. after the cycle is over, your done. why would you run it after the cycle? as far as tren shutting you down, yes it does. so does test and bold though. all steroids shut you down! you cant start pct until your done with the cycle. thats why its called POST cycle . you need to be off of all steroids in order for the pct meds to help

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by Pauliuch View Post
    Sounds very interesting, ED injects though is probably why I went with the slower esters. Would TNE be using same size pins as Test Cyp?
    yes sir. just like injecting any other oil based gear. on injection days of your other compounds, you can mix them all together

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  • Red Bull
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  • Red Bull
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    Yes sir i was just going to run 10 weeks then I found that Bold needs 16 weeks. I now that tren shuts ya down so i thought I run pct after tren. I was going to run T3 and Clem after cycle. Thanks for all the help Bro. Your wisdom is help so any thoughts I will stop winny.

    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    hey bro, i'm having a hard time understanding some of your cycle.

    1st, the biggest issue i have is where you say "week 10-16 bold 600" but then you say "week 11-15 PCT hcg clomid". so are you doing pct in wk 11 but still running Bold? you need to come off all steroids before you can do a PCT.

    2nd, there is no need to run clomid EOD through the cycle. your AI should be enough to protect you from estrogen.

    3rd, now let me make sure i'm understanding, you're 3 wks into the cycle, right? i personally wouldnt add the winny in till the end, say the last 4 wk...last 6 wks at most. it's just an "icing on the cake" drug to add in extra detail, crispness and hardness. too soon and it'll dry out your joints, plus it'll destroy your cholesterol profile

    let me also suggest fat burners. clen and t3 would help you a lot if fat loss for contest prep is your goal.

    as far as feeling tired...it could very possibly be the tren. tren is well known for giving people a generally lethargic, low energy feel. i would also check your blood pressure. high BP could be the cause. how much water are you getting. i'd suggest drinking more if possible. if you're getting more than a gallon, you should be ok on water. otherwise, up the water.

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  • Pauliuch
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  • Pauliuch
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    oh man, so many great options out there!!! these are always the fun questions anavar is a great drug, though its so weak. it takes so much to get a strong effect and it's expensive. that being said, it works very well for the goals you've outlined. if you could afford to run it for 6-8 wks around 60mg, you'd do well. another interesting option that we dont talk about a ton on JM would be tbol. tbol is often said to be a "drier" dbol. around 50-60mg would be ideal. i have a friend who says that tbol messed his blood work up like no other oral...now lets keep in mind that all orals with temperamentally mess up your cholesterol profile. i've just heard claims that tbol has done so quickly. because of this, i wouldnt suggest running it for longer than 6 wks. speaking of dbol, you can always go with the tired and true. just keep the dose lower and since you're running your AI, estrgeon shouldnt be a huge issue. this would probably be the least expensive route.

    but what would i do? personally, i'm a pretty big fan of GP's TNE. injectable test base in oil. this stuff packs one hell of a punch, IMO. 1cc ED for say, the first 4 wks...or even 1cc on training days. i instantly feel strength from day 1 and all the great benefits of using test...it all happens, pretty much right out of the gate. as the test cyp begins to kick in, i might start tapering the TNE back to .75cc or .5cc. suspension style gear is intense stuff and since its in oil, its fairly painless.
    Sounds very interesting, ED injects though is probably why I went with the slower esters. Would TNE be using same size pins as Test Cyp?

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    oh man, so many great options out there!!! these are always the fun questions anavar is a great drug, though its so weak. it takes so much to get a strong effect and it's expensive. that being said, it works very well for the goals you've outlined. if you could afford to run it for 6-8 wks around 60mg, you'd do well. another interesting option that we dont talk about a ton on JM would be tbol. tbol is often said to be a "drier" dbol. around 50-60mg would be ideal. i have a friend who says that tbol messed his blood work up like no other oral...now lets keep in mind that all orals with temperamentally mess up your cholesterol profile. i've just heard claims that tbol has done so quickly. because of this, i wouldnt suggest running it for longer than 6 wks. speaking of dbol, you can always go with the tired and true. just keep the dose lower and since you're running your AI, estrgeon shouldnt be a huge issue. this would probably be the least expensive route.

    but what would i do? personally, i'm a pretty big fan of GP's TNE. injectable test base in oil. this stuff packs one hell of a punch, IMO. 1cc ED for say, the first 4 wks...or even 1cc on training days. i instantly feel strength from day 1 and all the great benefits of using test...it all happens, pretty much right out of the gate. as the test cyp begins to kick in, i might start tapering the TNE back to .75cc or .5cc. suspension style gear is intense stuff and since its in oil, its fairly painless.

    Originally posted by Pauliuch View Post
    Hello Sam
    I am hoping you could comment on my coming summer cycle. Test cyp at 500EW, Tren E at 400EW. So far that's pretty much a done deal. I was wondering about an oral to add. I can't decide between Anavar, Proviron or something else? Also I can't seem to find what would be a good dose for them. It will be my third cycle at 47 and first time with tren. I am looking for lean gains. Right now I am trying to lose as much BF as I can beforehand. I started my last summer bulk cycle at 205 with at least an extra 10 lbs of fat and would like to start this cycle pretty lean. Currently I'm 193 at 5'8" with just a little BF left. Do you think Test, Tren doses are ok? Will be running hcg and adex with cycle. PCT will be Nolva.
    Thanks!!

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    hey bro, i'm having a hard time understanding some of your cycle.

    1st, the biggest issue i have is where you say "week 10-16 bold 600" but then you say "week 11-15 PCT hcg clomid". so are you doing pct in wk 11 but still running Bold? you need to come off all steroids before you can do a PCT.

    2nd, there is no need to run clomid EOD through the cycle. your AI should be enough to protect you from estrogen.

    3rd, now let me make sure i'm understanding, you're 3 wks into the cycle, right? i personally wouldnt add the winny in till the end, say the last 4 wk...last 6 wks at most. it's just an "icing on the cake" drug to add in extra detail, crispness and hardness. too soon and it'll dry out your joints, plus it'll destroy your cholesterol profile

    let me also suggest fat burners. clen and t3 would help you a lot if fat loss for contest prep is your goal.

    as far as feeling tired...it could very possibly be the tren. tren is well known for giving people a generally lethargic, low energy feel. i would also check your blood pressure. high BP could be the cause. how much water are you getting. i'd suggest drinking more if possible. if you're getting more than a gallon, you should be ok on water. otherwise, up the water.

    Originally posted by Red Bull View Post
    Sam I am on my four cycle and ten years training. I have a show coming up in may. First show. I have taken tren A before but never tren E. I also ride cycle so endurance is inportant to me.

    16 week cycle. I am on week 3

    Ten E 600 mg per week
    Bold 600mg per week
    Test Cyp 750 per week
    Anz .5 ED
    clomid 25 EOD

    I had no energy what so ever

    week 3 same but added Winny 50 per day

    week 10-16 bold 600

    week 11-15 PCT hcg clomid

    I know its alot but trying to cut BF drastic no i am not fatty just wanna been low as can be for contest.

    Why do I have no energy, what can I do. Th

    Thanks Bro

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  • Pauliuch
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  • Pauliuch
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    Test Cyp, Tren E and ??

    Hello Sam
    I am hoping you could comment on my coming summer cycle. Test cyp at 500EW, Tren E at 400EW. So far that's pretty much a done deal. I was wondering about an oral to add. I can't decide between Anavar, Proviron or something else? Also I can't seem to find what would be a good dose for them. It will be my third cycle at 47 and first time with tren. I am looking for lean gains. Right now I am trying to lose as much BF as I can beforehand. I started my last summer bulk cycle at 205 with at least an extra 10 lbs of fat and would like to start this cycle pretty lean. Currently I'm 193 at 5'8" with just a little BF left. Do you think Test, Tren doses are ok? Will be running hcg and adex with cycle. PCT will be Nolva.
    Thanks!!

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  • JOE2007
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  • JOE2007
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    if you're already running prop/tren/mast, i wouldnt personally even bother with the anavar. those 3 compounds should be enough. if you want more than you're getting out of prop/tren/mast, i would up the doses, especially of mast and tren. even if you dont up the doses now, i would up the tren and mast near the last week to 10 days. as long as your halo is good, you'll be amazed at what it'll do to your physique in a short period of time. after the first several days, you should start seeing a difference. right now, i've been running GP halo for 8 days. first wk, i ran it at 10mg. then upped it to 20mg today. within 3-4days, i was seeing dramatic increase in hard dry muscle. my training partner noticed it in me too. my strength has been going up and up. on that note, be careful. halo can make you so strong and in your calorie depleted state, you dont want to hurt yourself, just because your strength goes way up.
    Thanks Sam , i'll do that .

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by JOE2007 View Post
    Thanks man , really appreciate your help . I can get Halo , so should i drop the anavar 3 weeks out when i start Halo or keep takin' both ( not too keen on runnin' 2 orals at the same time... ) . Anavar from 8 weeks out 'ntil 3 weeks out then switching to Halo ?
    if you're already running prop/tren/mast, i wouldnt personally even bother with the anavar. those 3 compounds should be enough. if you want more than you're getting out of prop/tren/mast, i would up the doses, especially of mast and tren. even if you dont up the doses now, i would up the tren and mast near the last week to 10 days. as long as your halo is good, you'll be amazed at what it'll do to your physique in a short period of time. after the first several days, you should start seeing a difference. right now, i've been running GP halo for 8 days. first wk, i ran it at 10mg. then upped it to 20mg today. within 3-4days, i was seeing dramatic increase in hard dry muscle. my training partner noticed it in me too. my strength has been going up and up. on that note, be careful. halo can make you so strong and in your calorie depleted state, you dont want to hurt yourself, just because your strength goes way up.

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  • JOE2007
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  • JOE2007
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    i would add in halo. if you cant afford halo, then go with winny. with halo, i would start at 3-4 wks out. if you were doing halo for 3 wks, i would do somthing like this. wk 3 10mg. on training days, take it preworkout. wk 2, 20mg. split 10mg first thing in AM and 10mg pretraining. wk 1 right into the show, 30mg split into 2 doses a day. it'll get you harder than winny. personally, i would run my liver supps for a few wks after the show...just the way i like to run my contest orals.
    Thanks man , really appreciate your help . I can get Halo , so should i drop the anavar 3 weeks out when i start Halo or keep takin' both ( not too keen on runnin' 2 orals at the same time... ) . Anavar from 8 weeks out 'ntil 3 weeks out then switching to Halo ?

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  • Red Bull
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  • Red Bull
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    Sam I am on my four cycle and ten years training. I have a show coming up in may. First show. I have taken tren A before but never tren E. I also ride cycle so endurance is inportant to me.

    16 week cycle. I am on week 3

    Ten E 600 mg per week
    Bold 600mg per week
    Test Cyp 750 per week
    Anz .5 ED
    clomid 25 EOD

    I had no energy what so ever

    week 3 same but added Winny 50 per day

    week 10-16 bold 600

    week 11-15 PCT hcg clomid

    I know its alot but trying to cut BF drastic no i am not fatty just wanna been low as can be for contest.

    Why do I have no energy, what can I do. Th

    Thanks Bro

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