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    sam1976
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    Originally posted by spark1597 View Post
    Thanks Sam! How long should I run this since these are mostly short estered ingredients and with my Hypogonadism if that matters? I have not ran a short estered cycle. PCT is non-existent for me due to my condition, so what should I taper the cyp down to at the end of the cycle? My regular HRT dose (200 mg EW) and cruise?
    Thanks again Bro.
    well, a major concern with cycle duration is how comfortable you are with ED to EOD injects. i would say that 12 wks would be pretty average. you could even do well with less. since you're using cyp, you dont wanna cut it too short. no need to tapper the cyp off at the end. just go down to your normal dose. since its a long ester, the additional test will slowly tapper itself out of your system over the next few wks.

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  • Thedub3
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    hey bro, welcome to JM. great looking physique in your avatar. you obviously started with a good natural base! about the tren...what makes you want to run tren and what are your goals for the next cycle? personally, i wouldnt suggest it. i know of guys who have used tren early and everything went well, but it is one of the highest side effect drugs there is. i found that EOD has higher side effects than ED, but injecting ED can be a chore, especially for a new AAS user. so see, off the bat, here are some complications. add in possible moodiness, sleeplessness, ect and it can make for a rough ride. more important though, i see AAS use in our sport like lighting off fireworks. you want to save the big stuff for later on. set off all the big stuff right away, and you have no where to go but to something less. thats the same reason we dont suggest you start out with a G of test per wk. if you keep cycling, eventually you'll get there, but why not reap the benefits of much less while you still can? really, you could keep doing the cycle you just did, several more times and keep growing well from it, for sure. i can see though, that you probably wanna try something else. there is no rule that you cant use tren, but maybe consider something else that can be pinned less often and has lower side effects. EQ comes to mind. 600mg EW for 16 wks along with the same amount of test and dbol you did before would add some serious lean muscle with the right diet and training plan.
    I saved this so when I was ready to start my second cycle I could get your advice...I am really thinking of doing the exact same cycle (500mg test/week, 30mg dbol/day for 5weeks, and 16 weeks of eq like you stated....I am planning on training 5 days a week.
    Sunday Chest/tris, monday back/bis, wednesday, legs, thursday shoulders..Friday is a light day where I hit every muscle group except for shoulders..Abs and calves 3 time a week...Since I am bulking im just gonna eat, but keep it clean. Does this sound like a good bulking routine? haha

    Can draw and pin the EQ with the same size needles (20g&25g) I use for the test? Should i be pinning the test and eq same day? Thanks for all of the advice and help man
    Thedub3
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    Last edited by Thedub3; 08-10-2012, 05:12 AM.

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  • spark1597
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    Thanks again Sam!! Brother, you have been a great help!!

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by spark1597 View Post
    Thanks Sam! How long should I run this since these are mostly short estered ingredients and with my Hypogonadism if that matters? I have not ran a short estered cycle. PCT is non-existent for me due to my condition, so what should I taper the cyp down to at the end of the cycle? My regular HRT dose (200 mg EW) and cruise?
    Thanks again Bro.
    ok, if you're gonna use your cyp, you could do something like 12 wks test cyp 500mg, wk 3-12 tren and masteron at 100mg EOD each.

    at the end, drop everything accept for your 200mg cyp. allow the extra hormone to clear. and you're done. i think we talked before...,maybe it was someone else, but yea, if you're on HRT, you dont do PCT. you just return to your HRT. make sure to keep up on your adex at the end, just to help control estrogen as your cycle ends and hormones drop. you should be fine though...

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by LAfitness View Post
    Great....is running prop+mast+tren ace for 16 weeks too long or sounds okay for a third cycle?

    Also Thanks Sam for taking the time to explain all this. I knew it was a shitty cycle and way too much but the naps sale blew me away and got me overexcited.haha... I will take your advice. Thanks again!
    your welcome. 16 wks should be fine, but thats a long time to be poking yourself EOD if you aren't used to it. make sure you rotate your sites and use enough sites to use each one about once a week.

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  • LAfitness
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    Great....is running prop+mast+tren ace for 16 weeks too long or sounds okay for a third cycle?

    Also Thanks Sam for taking the time to explain all this. I knew it was a shitty cycle and way too much but the naps sale blew me away and got me overexcited.haha... I will take your advice. Thanks again!

    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    ok this might be a case of more isnt better. first off, you have 6 different steroids that you are planning to run. thats overkill by anyones standards and even if you were getting ready for a national level show, i wouldnt suggest this. also some of this plan is redundant. lets start with andromix...this is a great combo of 3 powerful cutting steroids. these 3 are the bread and butter of a cutting stack for many competitors. test prop, tren and masteron. the 3 combined have an amazing synergy. the only downfall to using andromix vs each one individually, is that you cant adjust the doses. lets say the tren was too strong but you like the mast and test...well you are out of luck. you cant reduce the tren in this blend without reducing the others. so be aware of that going in. also, your 3x a wk isnt a good idea. these compounds will work much better if you inject them AT LEAST EOD. you could do 1cc EOD of this combo along with your adex and honestly, that would be one kick ass cycle. PCT would start 3 days after last injection. you dont need the test e because you're already getting the prop. you certainly dont want to use the oral tren because you are already using tren ace....not to mention, OT is a lot more harsh and cause cause problems for your body easily. it isnt worth it, especially considering that you can only run it for such short periods. i would wait to run the anavar too, just simply because you're already running 3 very powerful steroids of which you dont know how you'll respond.

    part of me wants to say that my suggestion would be to buy your tren, mast and prop individually, so that you can reduce the tren if needed. some people...many...cant handle tren at high doses and if you have to reduce it, you wont get enough test or mast from the andromix...

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  • spark1597
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  • spark1597
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    Thanks Sam! How long should I run this since these are mostly short estered ingredients and with my Hypogonadism if that matters? I have not ran a short estered cycle. PCT is non-existent for me due to my condition, so what should I taper the cyp down to at the end of the cycle? My regular HRT dose (200 mg EW) and cruise?
    Thanks again Bro.

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    sure thing, cyp would be fine. keep in mind, it'll take a little longer to kick in while the tren and mast will be faster to act. you'll probably want to use a little more adex with the cyp to control water than you might need with the prop. if you run about 500mg cyp EW, you'll probably want to run around .5mg adex EOD. you want to keep estrogen a little lower in fat loss cycles. as far as the mast and tren, i would go for somewhere around 100mg of each EOD, or 50mg of each ED.

    Originally posted by spark1597 View Post
    Sam,
    I'm thinking of building my version of andomix by purchasing the vials individually so I can control the dosages.
    Would it be plausible to substitute Test Cyp for the Test Prop? If so, how would you dose/frequency on the Cyp? I've got quite a bit of Cyp since I'm HRT.
    I was going to initially dose the other ingredients as dosed with andromix.
    Also, how many vials of each would I need for a normal cycle? I'm looking at QDL.
    If the Cyp is not plausable, I'm looking to drop body fat while building and thought this would be a good mix. Please let me know if you have another cycle suggestion.
    Stats:
    42 years old
    5'11"
    242 lbs
    25% bf
    Hypothyroidism (1.25mcg levothyroxine daily)
    Calorie intake for the past several months have averaged 1800-2200.
    Cardio eod.
    Thanks Bro

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  • spark1597
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  • spark1597
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    Sam,
    I'm thinking of building my version of andomix by purchasing the vials individually so I can control the dosages.
    Would it be plausible to substitute Test Cyp for the Test Prop? If so, how would you dose/frequency on the Cyp? I've got quite a bit of Cyp since I'm HRT.
    I was going to initially dose the other ingredients as dosed with andromix.
    Also, how many vials of each would I need for a normal cycle? I'm looking at QDL.
    If the Cyp is not plausable, I'm looking to drop body fat while building and thought this would be a good mix. Please let me know if you have another cycle suggestion.
    Stats:
    42 years old
    5'11"
    242 lbs
    25% bf
    Hypothyroidism (1.25mcg levothyroxine daily)
    Calorie intake for the past several months have averaged 1800-2200.
    Cardio eod.
    Thanks Bro
    spark1597
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    Last edited by spark1597; 08-02-2012, 05:38 AM.

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  • sam1976
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  • sam1976
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    ok this might be a case of more isnt better. first off, you have 6 different steroids that you are planning to run. thats overkill by anyones standards and even if you were getting ready for a national level show, i wouldnt suggest this. also some of this plan is redundant. lets start with andromix...this is a great combo of 3 powerful cutting steroids. these 3 are the bread and butter of a cutting stack for many competitors. test prop, tren and masteron. the 3 combined have an amazing synergy. the only downfall to using andromix vs each one individually, is that you cant adjust the doses. lets say the tren was too strong but you like the mast and test...well you are out of luck. you cant reduce the tren in this blend without reducing the others. so be aware of that going in. also, your 3x a wk isnt a good idea. these compounds will work much better if you inject them AT LEAST EOD. you could do 1cc EOD of this combo along with your adex and honestly, that would be one kick ass cycle. PCT would start 3 days after last injection. you dont need the test e because you're already getting the prop. you certainly dont want to use the oral tren because you are already using tren ace....not to mention, OT is a lot more harsh and cause cause problems for your body easily. it isnt worth it, especially considering that you can only run it for such short periods. i would wait to run the anavar too, just simply because you're already running 3 very powerful steroids of which you dont know how you'll respond.

    part of me wants to say that my suggestion would be to buy your tren, mast and prop individually, so that you can reduce the tren if needed. some people...many...cant handle tren at high doses and if you have to reduce it, you wont get enough test or mast from the andromix...



    Originally posted by LAfitness View Post
    Hey Sam

    Since Naps is doing this huge sale this week, I thought id stock up on some AAS that I m thinking I can use early next week. It would be my third cycle. (first cycle was Test Cyp+adex, second cycle soon will be Test E+Masteron+adex, Nolva and clomid PCT for both cycles).. NOW here is what I would like to try on my third cycle:

    I heard awesome stuff about GP Anromix, and GP Oral Tren and GP Anavar. So thinking about a cycle of:

    - Andromix (3 times a week, 1 cc each time), not sure, how many weeks?
    - Test E (twice a week, 1 cc each), Week 1-16
    - GP Oral Tren (3 tabs (250mcg) daily, 3 weeks on 3 weeks off)
    - Anavar (Not sure about daily dose and how many weeks)
    - Adex 0.5 mg EOD, week 1-16

    PCT starts week 19 for 4 weeks (Nolva and Clomid and whatever left from Adex)

    How does this cycle look? if it looks shitty please I appreciate your advice and what you think I should change.

    Thanks!

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  • LAfitness
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  • LAfitness
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    Hey Sam

    Since Naps is doing this huge sale this week, I thought id stock up on some AAS that I m thinking I can use early next week. It would be my third cycle. (first cycle was Test Cyp+adex, second cycle soon will be Test E+Masteron+adex, Nolva and clomid PCT for both cycles).. NOW here is what I would like to try on my third cycle:

    I heard awesome stuff about GP Anromix, and GP Oral Tren and GP Anavar. So thinking about a cycle of:

    - Andromix (3 times a week, 1 cc each time), not sure, how many weeks?
    - Test E (twice a week, 1 cc each), Week 1-16
    - GP Oral Tren (3 tabs (250mcg) daily, 3 weeks on 3 weeks off)
    - Anavar (Not sure about daily dose and how many weeks)
    - Adex 0.5 mg EOD, week 1-16

    PCT starts week 19 for 4 weeks (Nolva and Clomid and whatever left from Adex)

    How does this cycle look? if it looks shitty please I appreciate your advice and what you think I should change.

    Thanks!

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  • HOOCH256
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    copy that sam makes perfect sense gonna pick some up on my next order!

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by HOOCH256 View Post
    Hey thanks Sam I'm def gonna give it go, do you just pin it like normal gear? Or should I wait till after my cycle? And one last question how many mg are in a ml? Thanks sam!!
    it comes in a lipolyzed powder. you need to add bac water to it. because of this, how many mg are in a ml will depend on how much water you add. if you get a vial of M2 that is 10mg a vial and you add 1 ml, then it'd be 10mg/ml. see what i'm saying? and thats how i mix it. i get 10mg vials, mix in 1ml bac water. so 1/10ml is 1mg. to inject it, you use an insulin pin and inject it sub q into your fat, like you would with insulin or hgh. hope this all is making sense to you

    as far as when to use it, there is no reason you cant use it on cycle. on or off cycle doesnt matter

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  • HOOCH256
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    Hey thanks Sam I'm def gonna give it go, do you just pin it like normal gear? Or should I wait till after my cycle? And one last question how many mg are in a ml? Thanks sam!!

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  • sam1976
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    with M2 i personally dont break down the math like that. i try to just keep it simple. it can give you an upset stomach, so its best to start with a low dose, like .25 to .5mg and build up to 1mg. i take 1mg ED until i reach the level of darkness that i want. from there, i back it off to 1 to 2 times a wk.if you do some tanning with it, it will greatly improve the effect. i find that i can stay as dark as i want with 1mg per week and 1 visit to the tanning bed. be careful because you can easily get too dark from this stuff. also, watch for freckles. it made a couple freckles darker than they were. for some people, it can bring more freckles out and they may not go away

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