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    sam1976
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    Originally posted by cmode44 View Post
    Hey Sam. Is there any science behind stair stepping PCT's? Like exact dosages? Does it depend on how harsh the substances were?

    I'm doing oral d-bol for four weeks, and test cyp for 12-15 weeks. Would 100/50/50/25 clomid be a good approach?
    personally with clomid, i experience nasty side effects. i could see 100 for the first few days at most for me. then i'd move it to the 50/50/25. personally, when i was doing pct, i would use clomid and nolva in the first wk, then only use nlova for wks 2,3,4

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    for your diet, if you're looking to add mass, i'd suggest you put some carbs in there. this is an ok base keto diet for cutting, but to add mass, you need carbs. sweet potato, rice, white potato, oats, all have their place in a bulking diet. its hard to say how many i'd add, without knowing how you respond to carbs and without seeing the way you currently look while eating this way. i'd start working carbs in and move my way to 200 carbs. see how you respond to that.

    as far as your cycle goes, i try to not over complicate things. you'd do great on 16 wks of test e with eq. if you wanted to kick start that with a little bit of an oral for the first 4-6 wks, go for it. you dont need much, as its just a way to get the cycle rolling as the long esters kick in. clean bulk has to do with the diet, not the gear. you can even use a little dbol for 4-6 wks say 25 mg and not look sloppy, as long as your diet is clean. adex dosing will depend on your bodys needs. somewhere between .5mg EOD to .25mg 3 times a wk is the usual range i see


    Originally posted by Ilove View Post
    Sam!, I talked with you earlier in this thread about a lean bulk cycle i m planning this winter. after much extensive research, I think I may do something like this:

    Week 1-4 test P 100mg EOD
    Week 1-16 test E 300mg week
    Week 1-16 EQ 600 mg week
    Week 15-20 test P 100 mg EOD
    Week 15-20 anavar 50 mg ED
    Adex :0.5 mg E3D or EOD if I need to, I've talked to guys telling me 0.25 E3D is enough....

    Prop kicker and finisher since EQ results takes forever to kick in. Notice the low test E because Im looking for a LEAN bulk with minimum water retention.
    My concern with this cycle is that it's gonna take me 20 weeks+3 weeka PCT, so my time off will be at least 23 weeks when I'm done. This means there is no way I can start a cutting cycle this summer (2013), so Im considering another LEAN bulk alternative that doesnt require this long..EQ should be run at least 16-18 weeks for good results as I know... What do you suggest as an alternative shorter lean bulk cycle?

    I am 31 yo, 180 lbs, bf 13%, now on a high protein low card diet to lower my bf before I start my cycle. This is my diet and would be nice if you tell me what you think:

    Meal 1: 5 whole eggs and 4egg whites
    Meal 2: Protein Shake 50g Whey Protein with 1 tbsp of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
    Meal 3: 8oz chicken with handful of almonds
    Meal 4: Protein Shake 50g Whey Protein with 1 tbsp of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
    Meal 5: 8oz Salmon or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar
    Meal 6: Protein Shake 50g Whey with 1 tbsp almond butter
    2 gallons of water a day....no sugar added to anything and no soda/tea/juice

    My protein intake with this diet is around 325 g or so. high protein so i dont loose muscle mass cuz of the calorie deficit.

    Thanks bro!

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  • delcapone
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    What size pin did you use for the dbol inj.? I was gona use 25ga for delts. Also did you use slin pin for tri's?

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  • sam1976
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    hey guys, my plate has been a little full the last few days. i'll make the Q and A a priority on tuesday when i'm off work

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  • timguinness
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    Hey Sam, I just wanted to give you my sincerest gratitude for what turned out to be spectacular advice. I think you've prescribed the nearly perfect cycle to expedite recovery from serious injury. I was forced to buy some domestic human grade stuff, so I paid out the ass, but here's what I started 8/20.....

    Test Cyp 400mg/week (will go 12 weeks, 3 add. weeks for taper)
    Anavar 100 mg/day - 12 weeks
    EQ 400mg/week - 15 weeks
    Deca 500 mg/week - 10 weeks
    IGF 25 mcg/day - 8 weeks
    Adex .25 mg/EOD
    Milk Thistle, Liv52
    Aromasin, Clomid, GH for PCT. Haven't decided on exact doses and length, I've never really used or needed anything but clomid in the past, but with the quantity of gear and the length of this cycle, I picked up extra PCT gear just in case. Maybe you could comment on this for me?

    I've had to take it fairly easy in the gym, but all joints and connective tissues (knees, back, neck, shoulder and hip) affected in the crash have literally seen complete recovery and in most cases are better than before the injuries. My doctors are extremely impressed. (Of course they are not aware of my self treatment.) I've also been taking a lot of fish/krill oil supplements, which I believe have alleviated quite a bit of joint discomfort as well.

    Anyway bro, thanks for the spot on advice. It has been nothing short of remarkable. You da man!!!
    timguinness
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    Last edited by timguinness; 10-06-2012, 03:52 AM.

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  • cmode44
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    Hey Sam. Is there any science behind stair stepping PCT's? Like exact dosages? Does it depend on how harsh the substances were?

    I'm doing oral d-bol for four weeks, and test cyp for 12-15 weeks. Would 100/50/50/25 clomid be a good approach?

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  • Ilove
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  • Ilove
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    Sam!, I talked with you earlier in this thread about a lean bulk cycle i m planning this winter. after much extensive research, I think I may do something like this:

    Week 1-4 test P 100mg EOD
    Week 1-16 test E 300mg week
    Week 1-16 EQ 600 mg week
    Week 15-20 test P 100 mg EOD
    Week 15-20 anavar 50 mg ED
    Adex :0.5 mg E3D or EOD if I need to, I've talked to guys telling me 0.25 E3D is enough....

    Prop kicker and finisher since EQ results takes forever to kick in. Notice the low test E because Im looking for a LEAN bulk with minimum water retention.
    My concern with this cycle is that it's gonna take me 20 weeks+3 weeka PCT, so my time off will be at least 23 weeks when I'm done. This means there is no way I can start a cutting cycle this summer (2013), so Im considering another LEAN bulk alternative that doesnt require this long..EQ should be run at least 16-18 weeks for good results as I know... What do you suggest as an alternative shorter lean bulk cycle?

    I am 31 yo, 180 lbs, bf 13%, now on a high protein low card diet to lower my bf before I start my cycle. This is my diet and would be nice if you tell me what you think:

    Meal 1: 5 whole eggs and 4egg whites
    Meal 2: Protein Shake 50g Whey Protein with 1 tbsp of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
    Meal 3: 8oz chicken with handful of almonds
    Meal 4: Protein Shake 50g Whey Protein with 1 tbsp of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
    Meal 5: 8oz Salmon or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar
    Meal 6: Protein Shake 50g Whey with 1 tbsp almond butter
    2 gallons of water a day....no sugar added to anything and no soda/tea/juice

    My protein intake with this diet is around 325 g or so. high protein so i dont loose muscle mass cuz of the calorie deficit.

    Thanks bro!

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  • Ares
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    realistically, as long as your blood work said that you were healthy, you could run an oral for a year. thing is, i dont think your blood work would remain clear that whole time. most people dont want to invest in their health to find out whats actually going on with their body. the answer to this has been shorter and shorter oral runs. i'm hearing 4 wks for a lot of guys now days. for one cycle, instead of taking 30mg of dbol for 6 wks, i lowered it to 20mg and went for 8wk. i didnt have blood work done till after i came off, some 8 wks later. by that point, nothing was crazy. really though, now days, i'm less and less interested in orals. they are so much harsher on our organs over time. i know of guys who have formed tumors on their livers, believed to be from steroid use. i see older guys having heart problems. could be that they were predisposed. thing is, how do i know i'm not? i want to take the least impact on my body as i can, so if i'm gonna use an oral, its going to be to make a dramatic change quickly and then rely on injects to carry me through the cycle.
    I gotcha, well Im just considering my options. I think that maybe test e @500 for 12wks and test p for the first 8? that way avoid any orals. I was thinking eq but i want this to be no longer than 12 so i can run one in summer
    Ares
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    Last edited by Ares; 09-30-2012, 05:41 PM.

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by Ares View Post
    Hey, quick question. Have you ever ran tbol or an oral on a low dose for an entire cycle? I was thinking tbol at 20mg for 12 weeks w/ test. would the long running at a short dose produce a more potent effect in the end?
    realistically, as long as your blood work said that you were healthy, you could run an oral for a year. thing is, i dont think your blood work would remain clear that whole time. most people dont want to invest in their health to find out whats actually going on with their body. the answer to this has been shorter and shorter oral runs. i'm hearing 4 wks for a lot of guys now days. for one cycle, instead of taking 30mg of dbol for 6 wks, i lowered it to 20mg and went for 8wk. i didnt have blood work done till after i came off, some 8 wks later. by that point, nothing was crazy. really though, now days, i'm less and less interested in orals. they are so much harsher on our organs over time. i know of guys who have formed tumors on their livers, believed to be from steroid use. i see older guys having heart problems. could be that they were predisposed. thing is, how do i know i'm not? i want to take the least impact on my body as i can, so if i'm gonna use an oral, its going to be to make a dramatic change quickly and then rely on injects to carry me through the cycle.

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  • sam1976
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    i'd use a higher end replacement dose of test. somewhere around 200mg every wk or 10 days. i dont have experience dosing aromasin for hrt, but in terms of adex, i'd probably add about .5mg 2x wk. before you go back on, your best bet would be to run labs. it'll take a little while for cholesterol to return to normal. i've found 4-6 wks, after running winny. its hard to say how long i'd cruise. i guess it would depend on how life lined up for me. if i were to throw out a number, 10 wks. seems like enough time to get ready to grow again. i know that i can only put on so much size at once. just remember that once you start cruising, you're not really going off. the longer you go, the harder it'll be to recover.

    Originally posted by bigmurph View Post
    I appreciate the advice im sure the answer is already on here somewere but I have never bridged I always do pct and take adiquit time between cycles if I were to run say
    500 cyp or enan twice wk
    t-bol 40 ed for 6 wks
    stan 50 ed for 4wks
    with aromasin .5 ed for the 10 wks
    how would I go about bridging into the next cycle how long would I wait what would I use.

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  • Ares
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  • Ares
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    Hey, quick question. Have you ever ran tbol or an oral on a low dose for an entire cycle? I was thinking tbol at 20mg for 12 weeks w/ test. would the long running at a short dose produce a more potent effect in the end?

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    I appreciate the advice im sure the answer is already on here somewere but I have never bridged I always do pct and take adiquit time between cycles if I were to run say
    500 cyp or enan twice wk
    t-bol 40 ed for 6 wks
    stan 50 ed for 4wks
    with aromasin .5 ed for the 10 wks
    how would I go about bridging into the next cycle how long would I wait what would I use.

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  • sam1976
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    yes, i've seen lactation with tren. not pretty! i've personally found that as long as i control estrogen with adex, i've had no proges or prolac issues. adex itself will not control gyno related to a 19-nor based steroid like tren. caber dosed at about .5mg 2 to 3 times a wk should do the trick if you had a problem

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  • cmode44
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    Hey Sam! Reading up on Tren and noticed it does not bother estrogen levels, but is a progesterone antagonist. I understand the mechanics of estrogen and test, but am having a hard time finding literature on the impact of progesterone due to aas. Is that what causes possible lactation? Is it prevented with the same products used to deal with / stop estrogen related effects like arimadex or letrozole?

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  • sam1976
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    subq seems to be a new trend. from what i understand, it will not absorb as quickly, as fat has musch worse blood flow than muscle tissue. i would personally only want to subq a small amount at a time, like my budy who is on an hrt dose of 80mg a wk. he does 2 .4cc shots per wk and is fine. the other time i would consider doing subq would be if you're doing every day injects and feel as though you're running out of sites.

    for the average user, who is doing a couple cc's a wk, to a couple cc's EOD, i wouldnt get too concerned about subq. IM has been the tried and true. its consistent. we know what to expect....thats just my opinion though. dont let me stop you if that sounds like something you're interested in exploring

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