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anavar is ridiculously expensive! realized geneza products are not available anymore, have you heard any reviews about hard core or gen shi labs?Last edited by dolce4; 10-07-2011, 11:40 AM.
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what you're describing is a "transformation cycle". no matter what gear you're taking, your results will come from your diet. being able to lose fat while gaining muscle becomes harder and harder, the leaner you get. at 13.5%, you should be fine, as long as you watch yourself closely. still it's tough. you need to feed the muscle with lots of lean low calorie protein sources like white fish, while starving the fat and using cardio to make up the deficit.read up about diet and make sure you know how to time your carbs. that will be key. as far as steroids that'll burn fat, most of them dont, and the couple that do, don't do it very well...not like dieting drugs do anyway. once again, that'll mainly come down to your diet.
considering everyting you've told me, i think a good choice of oral would be anavar. it is mild, but it is a good drug. it will get you veiny at lower BF levels and will help dramatically with strength.
if you used tesy cyp last time, you might want to consider using test e this time around. it is very similar. personally, i just dont like using the exact same test 2 cycles in a row. just me... but yea, if you ran test e and var, it might look something like this...
1-12
test e 500mg EW
1-6 to 8
anavar
50-60mg ED
HCG would help the testes. see the above post for more info on that...
Originally posted by dolce4 View Post5'11 190lbs 13.5% bf
hey Sam, I'm getting ready to start my second cycle...you suggested a few months back to keep it the same as the first one (test cyp 500 weekly) and add winny. You also mentioned winny really acts as a cosmetic, I was wondering if there's a different cutting agent I can add that will help me burn some fat, my first cycle I ate clean and gained about 20 lbs...this time I'll be doing the same but adding cardio 5 days a week. Also, is there anything I can use to prevent shrinking of the testes during the cycle, HCG maybe? I'll be doing lots of cardio so if add deca or dbol would that yield better results in your opinion, I'm looking to add some size but really burn some fat in the process.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by gambit View PostSam I edited my cycle adding HCG if you wouldnt mind checking it out?
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.p...irst-aas-cycle.
TIA!Originally posted by hackleech View Posti think u should start hcg about 3-4 weeks after first test injection and end it about 3-4 days before test clears
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5'11 190lbs 13.5% bf
hey Sam, I'm getting ready to start my second cycle...you suggested a few months back to keep it the same as the first one (test cyp 500 weekly) and add winny. You also mentioned winny really acts as a cosmetic, I was wondering if there's a different cutting agent I can add that will help me burn some fat, my first cycle I ate clean and gained about 20 lbs...this time I'll be doing the same but adding cardio 5 days a week. Also, is there anything I can use to prevent shrinking of the testes during the cycle, HCG maybe? I'll be doing lots of cardio so if add deca or dbol would that yield better results in your opinion, I'm looking to add some size but really burn some fat in the process.
Thanks.
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Sam I edited my cycle adding HCG if you wouldnt mind checking it out?
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.p...irst-aas-cycle.
TIA!
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hey bro, sorry to hear about ur issue. i hope that you get it sorted. whatever you do, keep training. it's natures anti-depressant! as far as pct goes, if your mood is up and down due to these issues, this probably isn't the best time to try clomid. it has a tendancy of having more estrogen like side effects. put it this way, you dont want to find yourself crying while watching old movies on the Lifetime channel. so stick with the nolva. 3 wks after what was your last shot of sust, start nolva. first wk, 40mg ED, then 20mg for wk 2 and 3. if you feel you need to go longer, go another 10 days on 10mg nolva. it's that easy! you can continue on the aromasim. for sure, i would at the very least run the aromasim right up till pct starts.
there are a lot of ways to run pct meds, yes. for the most part, IMO, it is all the same, just different doses. the most important thing is just having your steroid ester timing down
Originally posted by BIGSWOLE78 View PostI just had to end my cycle abruptly because of marital problems.i've done a few cycles but have never done any type of pct afterwards. I would really appreciate help with my dosage.
My cycle : Weeks 1-10 tren a 75 mg ed: Weeks 1-15 sust 250, 250 mg eod;weeks 10-15 winstrol depot 50 mg ed
i've been off cycle for 4 days now. Since i've stopped i've been taking 25 mg of aromisen ed and have clomid and nolvadex on standby for my pct. I have heard mixed opinions on when and how much to take. Avdice from someone with as much experience as you have would be great. Thanks in advance
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I just had to end my cycle abruptly because of marital problems.i've done a few cycles but have never done any type of pct afterwards. I would really appreciate help with my dosage.
My cycle : Weeks 1-10 tren a 75 mg ed: Weeks 1-15 sust 250, 250 mg eod;weeks 10-15 winstrol depot 50 mg ed
i've been off cycle for 4 days now. Since i've stopped i've been taking 25 mg of aromisen ed and have clomid and nolvadex on standby for my pct. I have heard mixed opinions on when and how much to take. Avdice from someone with as much experience as you have would be great. Thanks in advance
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for the few extra $$ it'll take to run some hcg, why not. and yea, when you want to, post up your cycle, timing and pct. also, it you want help with your diet, post that up here or in our diet section of the board to see what suggestions we might be able to make for you. diet will be the biggest factor to dertimine how well you gain.
Originally posted by J_Cumiskey View PostSorry, on second thoughts i'm not going to run the risk! Gonna get some ordered and get a proper cycle started!
Finally after weeks of reading up on everything, i think my studying is done!
I'll be sure to give a write up on my cycle once its up and running!
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Sorry, on second thoughts i'm not going to run the risk! Gonna get some ordered and get a proper cycle started!
Finally after weeks of reading up on everything, i think my studying is done!
I'll be sure to give a write up on my cycle once its up and running!
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Sam1976, you're a pure fountain of knowledge! My question was answered before i had to ask.
The whole PCT confused me (doesnt seem to take much!)
I think i'll just stick to Nolvadex, i was going to go for some HCG too but hopefully i can get away with just the Nolva!
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Originally posted by gambit View PostDo you think someone just doing a 12 week test cycle needs HCG?
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Originally posted by YoungGun View Posthey Sam, I was just reading a thread you were involved in and here was one of the posts: http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.p...w-much-protein And you mentioned a fat intake of around 200g a day. If this the amount you need to grow well? I know many people eat less than 100g a day and have 500g+ carbs, but I get fat at this many carbs, thus the appeal of higher fat comes in. I still have around 250-300g carbs a day to maintain glycogen and muscle fullness, but I know in the 70's to get big, arnold ate tons of whole eggs, beef, whole milk, etc.
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Originally posted by YoungGun View PostHey sam I was reading a thread earlier in which you mentioned having high dietary fat in your diet. http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.p...w-much-protein Do you recommend having this much fat? I know arnold back in the 70's ate tons of fat from beef, whole eggs, whole milk, etc. You dont see that much today yet those guys were huge. Thanks!
I just keep it good quality foods. 4 BULK
Sounds like the Mountain dog diet -Google it for good info
*Not for Contest prep or getting rippedLast edited by ODB; 09-13-2011, 01:14 PM.
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