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    dk!
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    thanks a lot bro and yeah its 191aa hgh sorry miss type.

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  • ODB
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    Originally posted by cmode44 View Post
    Thanks Sam, I appreciate it

    Should I take Keto to help with the down regulation?
    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    i have never used it. i have tried benadryl at 50mg. did it work? i dont know but i slept better on tren!! haha
    I can throw my2C in here Sam (if u don't mind) I have taken Keto w/clen+T3 it seemed to work, ref down reg. but it knocked me out like I was shot w/a tranq.
    The suggested dose was 2 of the 1mg tabs which I quickly dropped to 1 (2 made me groggy for 2days)

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by cmode44 View Post
    Thanks Sam, I appreciate it

    Should I take Keto to help with the down regulation?
    i have never used it. i have tried benadryl at 50mg. did it work? i dont know but i slept better on tren!! haha

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by dk! View Post
    idk if your familiar with napsgear but i just got a cycle from them and ihope they are legit its the basic mass cycle.... Items included: 2 x GP Test Enanth 250, 1 x GP Deca250, 2 x GP Methan10, 2 x GP Anastrozole

    Cycle Length: 10 weeks

    Cycle Layout:
    Weeks 1-10 500 mg GP Test Enanth 250 per week.
    Weeks 1-10 250 mg GP Deca250 per week
    Weeks 1-6 40 mg GP Methan 10 per day
    Weeks 1-10 .5 mg GP Anastrozole per day (continued for 10 days after cycle)
    not clear on how to dose these and which days?
    i also got hgh 192aa not sure how to dose htose either i use a 3cc barrel and 23g x 1in needle...
    diet is going to be around 3500-4000 calories and 300-350g protein 180-200g carb low sugars and moderat fats and fiber. will i need liver pills and kidney pills to keep them safe? i know its alot but i wanna do this cycle right!
    honestly bro, if you arent sure how to dose this stuff, you probably shouldnt have purchased it yet. i will help you with this, but you should step back and look into what you're doing here. read the board for awhile before you start, so you understand not only what can go wrong but how to put the work in to get the results you want. there is a lot going on with this cycle, honestly, you dont need the deca. i know a guy who just ran 250mg EW test for 10 wks plus 30mg dbol for 3 wks and made huge gains for his first cycle. if i were you, i'd put the deca aside till next time. for now, you want to see how you respond to test. if you have side effects, you wont know what its coming from and deca sides can be treated differently than test or dbol.

    that being said, heres dosing info,,,you can do 2x injects per wk of test at 1cc, say mon and thurs, 1cc of deca, and if i were you, i would reduce the dbol to 25mg ED for 6 wks, save the rest for next time. you may find you need less than .5mg ED of adex. EOD is probably going to be fine.


    also, 192aa gh, huh? you sure it isnt 191? i dont know much about 192, but from what i understand...and this is very very little...some people can build anti bodies to 192. not sure about this topic though. i'm going to read up
    sam1976
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    Last edited by sam1976; 02-27-2013, 01:29 AM.

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  • cmode44
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    Thanks Sam, I appreciate it

    Should I take Keto to help with the down regulation?

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  • sam1976
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    im going to work backwards, here. i wouldnt use a 4 wks kick start of dbol on a cut diet. if you want to use anavar for the last 8 (which i think will work well), i dont like the oral starter. too many orals. just stick with the var.

    with the clen, i have had the best luck, and so have friends i work with, when you run the clen straight through, i'd start with 40mcg and up it by 20mcg every 2 wks till you get to 120mcg and go no higher. dave palumbo says you will get some receptor down regulation but its minor and you will continue getting the majority of clens benefit. much better than going up and down every 2 wks, IME.

    using test e is fine for cutting. you may find that you'll want to use more of your AI than you would on a bulking cycle. for a contest prep, i want to be as dry as possible. i also want to control estrogen and keep it low to help with fat loss. i normally would start with .5mg EOD adex and for the last 5 or so wks, go up a little more. since you're taking 500mg test, i would say maybe .75mg EOD. somewhere in that range. it may dry joints out and effect sex drive, but i'm willing to deal with discomfort for a contest. i know you're not competing here, so take that for what its worth to you.


    Originally posted by cmode44 View Post
    Hey Sam, hope all is well!

    I'm getting ready to give Uncle Nap a jingle for my next cycle, but I want to have someone go through it with me.

    A little background, I took pro's several times, and my most recent cycle was a basic 15 weeks of 500mg GZ Test C and a five week kick start of 50 mg dbol (whoops, but you corrected me on that already!). I had great gains, my strength went through the roof, and had no sides at all.

    For this next cycle I'm going to cut. I'm currently 28, 6'0", 230 lbs., probably 20% body fat. I put on a bit of bad weight towards the end of my cycle due to being sick for three weeks and being out of town for another two. My high school friend is an IFBB amateur and is going to design my workout's / diet for a 15 week cut; similar to what he would do for contest prep. He will start me out at moderate calories, and will change my carbs up's daily according to my workouts.

    With that said, I need to get the gear straightened out. My base will be 500mg GZ Test E / EQ Blend, taken twice a week Monday and Thursday. I would like to take T3 and Clen too (do you see any issues with that?).

    For the T3, I'd like to do what you spelled out;
    W1-3: 12.5mcg
    W4-5: 25mcg
    W6-7:37.5mcg
    W8-9:50mcg
    W10-11:62.5mcg
    W12: Dose down every two days and finish the last day of week 12 at 25mcg

    Now the clen is where I need some help. Should I do the typical two week on, two week off? Or could you spell out to me how you do your low gradual dose over 12 weeks? Another question is if I need to throw Ketotifen into the mix, and just take 2mg every night before bed?

    My last question is, what do you think would benefit me more, doing a 4 week kickstart of d-bol or t-bol; or I was thinking of running 60mg oral Anavar for the last 8 weeks of my cycle. I'm not sure which I would see the benefit from more, the initial strength and size from d-bol, or the help in lean mass from the Var?

    Thanks brother, I appreciate it!

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  • dk!
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    idk if your familiar with napsgear but i just got a cycle from them and ihope they are legit its the basic mass cycle.... Items included: 2 x GP Test Enanth 250, 1 x GP Deca250, 2 x GP Methan10, 2 x GP Anastrozole

    Cycle Length: 10 weeks

    Cycle Layout:
    Weeks 1-10 500 mg GP Test Enanth 250 per week.
    Weeks 1-10 250 mg GP Deca250 per week
    Weeks 1-6 40 mg GP Methan 10 per day
    Weeks 1-10 .5 mg GP Anastrozole per day (continued for 10 days after cycle)
    not clear on how to dose these and which days?
    i also got hgh 192aa not sure how to dose htose either i use a 3cc barrel and 23g x 1in needle...
    diet is going to be around 3500-4000 calories and 300-350g protein 180-200g carb low sugars and moderat fats and fiber. will i need liver pills and kidney pills to keep them safe? i know its alot but i wanna do this cycle right!

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  • cmode44
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  • cmode44
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    Hey Sam, hope all is well!

    I'm getting ready to give Uncle Nap a jingle for my next cycle, but I want to have someone go through it with me.

    A little background, I took pro's several times, and my most recent cycle was a basic 15 weeks of 500mg GZ Test C and a five week kick start of 50 mg dbol (whoops, but you corrected me on that already!). I had great gains, my strength went through the roof, and had no sides at all.

    For this next cycle I'm going to cut. I'm currently 28, 6'0", 230 lbs., probably 20% body fat. I put on a bit of bad weight towards the end of my cycle due to being sick for three weeks and being out of town for another two. My high school friend is an IFBB amateur and is going to design my workout's / diet for a 15 week cut; similar to what he would do for contest prep. He will start me out at moderate calories, and will change my carbs up's daily according to my workouts.

    With that said, I need to get the gear straightened out. My base will be 500mg GZ Test E / EQ Blend, taken twice a week Monday and Thursday. I would like to take T3 and Clen too (do you see any issues with that?).

    For the T3, I'd like to do what you spelled out;
    W1-3: 12.5mcg
    W4-5: 25mcg
    W6-7:37.5mcg
    W8-9:50mcg
    W10-11:62.5mcg
    W12: Dose down every two days and finish the last day of week 12 at 25mcg

    Now the clen is where I need some help. Should I do the typical two week on, two week off? Or could you spell out to me how you do your low gradual dose over 12 weeks? Another question is if I need to throw Ketotifen into the mix, and just take 2mg every night before bed?

    My last question is, what do you think would benefit me more, doing a 4 week kickstart of d-bol or t-bol; or I was thinking of running 60mg oral Anavar for the last 8 weeks of my cycle. I'm not sure which I would see the benefit from more, the initial strength and size from d-bol, or the help in lean mass from the Var?

    Thanks brother, I appreciate it!

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  • sam1976
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    i hear so much about intermittent fasting now days. im not a big fan, at least not if you want to grow. guys have been getting big as fuck for a long time now lol, and there is only one way to do it. gotta eat. i would suggest eating every 2-3 hrs a day, as long as you are awake. and if you wake up in the middle of the night to pee, dont be afraid to pound a shake. in order for you to grow muscle, you aren't going to be able to maintain a hard, shredded look. thats not to say you have to be a fat ass, but you will take on a "rounder, fluffier" look. add in some dbol and deca with test and that effect will get even more dramatic. its just part of the game. fall in love with the off season! that doesnt mean fall in love with looking like shit haha. but take advantage of eating big and growing. just take pics every month or so, so that you can watch your progress and keep yourself from getting too fat in the process. it may take time to learn whats fat and whats water. it all can go to the same places and hang on your body in the same way.

    now ok, flat out, you need to eat way more. at 175, i would be getting at least 300g of protein per day. i would START with about 300 g of carbs and see how i could build from there. carbs, insulin, blood sugar is all going to play a role in fat storage, but it is also a primary key to muscle growth. im dieting a guy down right now. he's at about 5-6% for a mens physique show coming up in 5 wks. he will get leaner as he closes in, and we will drop some more carbs out, but for most of his 16 wk diet, he has been getting over 200 carbs! and he only weighs 160 something. another guy im helping for a BB show is very carb sensitive and stores fat easily. he is still getting 100 carbs on his high day, then cycling down to 50 a day for 2 days. my point here is, these guys are dieting and they're eating way more carbs than you. before you dive in and start eating a ton of carbs, i want to try to better understand you. were you naturally a fat person before you trained? i would consider myself an ecto. when i'm really putting the food away, i eat about 700 carbs, 450 protein and 300 fats. and beleive me, i hate eating.


    Originally posted by fit27 View Post
    Sam I want to thank you for your advice & time that you take to help us,
    Im 27, 5'7, 175 at 8-9 % bf and ive been training for many years. My daily caloric and macro intake is low because everytime ive teied to increase i start looking round and fluffy. Daily i consime around 170-200 grams of protein, 50-80 grams of carbs, 30-40 grams of far. I drink bcaa pre & post workout, i dont cosume protein shakes maily all from food. I follow intermittent fasting, 16 hours fat, 8 hours feed. I also would like your input on IF, i dont know if it is hurting my gain results. So you reccommend test e, with a oral kickstar. Would turinabol be better than dbol for me? Would you even reccommend eq + test e or you suggest i just stick to the original suggesstion?

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by benchmonster View Post
    I have got a ? about running the best strength cycle i can. I am a powerlifter have 3-4 cycles i havnt ran to much orals. I am thinking of Test cyp 250-500mg a week with Tren 400mg a week and maybe dbol or Halo? what do you think. I have a big competition in July.
    are you planning to cycle up to the comp? you have 4 cycles, huh. well i think that your plan sounds good. maybe some cyp or sust. tren at 400mg and throw in halo or anadrol for the last 3-4 wks. you know what else is pretty great, is test suspension or TNE. you could add this in near the end too, ramping everything up as you close in.

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by hooligan365 View Post
    I waited a day. I spoke to the online support, and they told me you cant order it because there is none to get. Thank you for fixing it,but my impatience forced me to order something else. I just ordered the two compounds and will make my own mix so to speak.LOL I was just real nervous that i would get the wrong thing and not have enough. Thank you tho SAM,i think ill be good with the separate tests. I just liked the 400 because its in the same bottle and i liked the results,but im sure this round will go equally as well.
    aww, i see. they must have run out of their stock. too bad for us!!! had i known, i would've stocked up. i liked the fact that it was less oil overall. really too bad. it seems like, from those that spoke up, most people had good experiences. maybe what, 7 out of 10 liked it? i guess if you make a product though, you dont want to sell it unless you can please a higher percentage than 70% or whatever it was

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  • benchmonster
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    I have got a ? about running the best strength cycle i can. I am a powerlifter have 3-4 cycles i havnt ran to much orals. I am thinking of Test cyp 250-500mg a week with Tren 400mg a week and maybe dbol or Halo? what do you think. I have a big competition in July.

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  • hooligan365
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    Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
    interesting....how long have you waited? i spoke to the support team. they should take care of it. let me know and i'll make sure they get it fixed. i know it can take a couple days to get a response. i think they are overwhelmed with questions sometimes
    I waited a day. I spoke to the online support, and they told me you cant order it because there is none to get. Thank you for fixing it,but my impatience forced me to order something else. I just ordered the two compounds and will make my own mix so to speak.LOL I was just real nervous that i would get the wrong thing and not have enough. Thank you tho SAM,i think ill be good with the separate tests. I just liked the 400 because its in the same bottle and i liked the results,but im sure this round will go equally as well.

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  • fit27
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  • fit27
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    Sam I want to thank you for your advice & time that you take to help us,
    Im 27, 5'7, 175 at 8-9 % bf and ive been training for many years. My daily caloric and macro intake is low because everytime ive teied to increase i start looking round and fluffy. Daily i consime around 170-200 grams of protein, 50-80 grams of carbs, 30-40 grams of far. I drink bcaa pre & post workout, i dont cosume protein shakes maily all from food. I follow intermittent fasting, 16 hours fat, 8 hours feed. I also would like your input on IF, i dont know if it is hurting my gain results. So you reccommend test e, with a oral kickstar. Would turinabol be better than dbol for me? Would you even reccommend eq + test e or you suggest i just stick to the original suggesstion?
    fit27
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    Last edited by fit27; 02-13-2013, 02:14 PM.

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  • sam1976
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    Originally posted by hooligan365 View Post
    Hey Sam. I tryed to order the test 400 like you said. And their not fixing it? I contacted support and am waiting on them to respond. Any ideas?
    interesting....how long have you waited? i spoke to the support team. they should take care of it. let me know and i'll make sure they get it fixed. i know it can take a couple days to get a response. i think they are overwhelmed with questions sometimes

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