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  • #16
    guys, i appreciate all the feedback.

    i have a younger cousin who has been juicin' for over 10 years. he hooked me up with the test/tren cycle. i trusted (trust) him, but in hind sight i would probably opt out of the tren first go-around... but, as ALEX said above, what is done is done.

    as a side note i have to say that at 41 years old, i really like the way that both the test AND tren make me feel... i haven't felt this good in 15-20 years!!

    i have dropped the tren down and started taking HCGenerate. not sure if it's one or a combo of both, but erections seem to be returning and stronger than before i started pinning!

    i could still use some advice for PCT????? my cycle will last another 4-5 weeks, so i want to get this figured out now. all the reading i've done would indicate using a combo of clomid and nolvadex for PCT. anyone agree or disagree???

    stats are:

    41 years old
    6'-4"
    225 lbs
    20% body fat +/-
    weight train 3-4 days per week
    cardio 1-2 days per week

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    • #17
      Well with 19-nors such as tren and deca, you dont want to use nolva alone. I wont get into why right now unless you need me to but wait 2 weeks after your last shot, i would run clomid @ 50mg ED for 4 weeks.
      "I COUNT HIM BRAVER WHO OVERCOMES HIS OWN DESIRE THAN WHO CONQUERS HIS ENEMIES, FOR THE HARDEST VICTORY IS OVER SELF"


      "SUCCESS ISN'T ALWAYS ABOUT GREATNESS. IT'S ABOUT CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENT HARD WORK GAINS SUCCESS. GREATNESS WILL COME"

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      • #18
        thanks! ... and great quote on bottom of your posts!

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        • #19
          Trenbolone is the very best, I've seen pro's on parabolan change..incredible!! Trenbolone has so many facets that you hardly can speak of one compound i.m.h.o.
          http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/conte...ces-trenbolone

          Like we discussed the difference from oral to injectable dianabol (methandrostenolone) the difference from oral metribolone vs subQ metribolone is many times stronger
          http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/conte...ienolone-r1881

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          • #20
            now about 10 weeks into my cycle. plan to go another 6 weeks.

            around weeks 5-6 i was loving how i felt... i felt so strong physically, emotionally, mentally.

            things seemed to have mellowed out quite a bit.... i think this is with the reduction of the tren e??? also, my gains have really hit a plateau. i gained about 20 pounds from week 3 to week 6, i was feeling like a monster in the gym, etc.

            i haven't gained a pound in the last 4 weeks and i really dont seem to hav any motivation in the gym... it sucks!

            since i have 6 weeks left on my cycle, is there anything i can/should add now to help with this?

            cycle:
            - 600 mg/ week test e
            - 300 mg/ week tren e

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            • #21
              as stated at beginning of this thread, this is my first cycle.... and i am 41 years old.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bad-mofo View Post
                now about 10 weeks into my cycle. plan to go another 6 weeks.
                around weeks 5-6 i was loving how i felt... i felt so strong physically, emotionally, mentally.
                things seemed to have mellowed out quite a bit.... i think this is with the reduction of the tren e??? also, my gains have really hit a plateau. i gained about 20 pounds from week 3 to week 6, i was feeling like a monster in the gym, etc.
                i haven't gained a pound in the last 4 weeks and i really dont seem to have any motivation in the gym... it sucks!
                since i have 6 weeks left on my cycle, is there anything i can/should add now to help with this?
                cycle:
                - 600 mg/ week test e
                - 300 mg/ week tren e
                I would end the cycle. since u have hit the point of diminishing returns.
                "GYM + JUICE"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ODB View Post
                  I would end the cycle. since u have hit the point of diminishing returns.
                  Total agreement. The tren on your first cycle probably threw you pretty far off balance, so make sure to run PCT for a good long while. I personally have screwed up my HPT axis pretty bad in the past, and it definitely teaches you some respect for AAS. Good luck bro.
                  Employ your time improving yourself by other men's writings so that you shall come easily by what others have labored hard for. -Socrates

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                  • #24
                    i googled HPT axis.. that is some scary shit! and yes, i can see how i jumped into this too fast without doing more research! how long did it take for your HPT axis to get back into balance? and what were effects of it being out of balance?

                    also, i have heard a ton of different opinions about off-cycle time, therefore can you define better what you mean by "run PCT for a good long while"?
                    bad-mofo
                    Junior Member
                    Last edited by bad-mofo; 10-16-2012, 10:25 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Everybody reacts differently, but after my second cycle many years ago ( during which I ramped up my gear dosages excessively) I personally felt very listless, irritable and couldn't concentrate on anything. My friends said I was acting like a chick on her period. My libido was shot. It took me about 8 weeks to get back to normal again, with the help of some clomid. Ever since then, I've been really careful to keep my gear to reasonable doses, and did as much research as I could before I tried any new compounds. There are a shitload of variables for each person, so just work your way into it slowly. Now I am careful to taper doses a bit for the last 3 weeks of a cycle, and I keep plenty of PCT meds on hand. Keep studying and pick as many brains as you can. And don't worry, you'll be your old self in no time, ready to try again. Only with more knowledge and a greater respect for your hormonal balance. Listen to your body, it'll tell you everything you need to know.
                      Employ your time improving yourself by other men's writings so that you shall come easily by what others have labored hard for. -Socrates

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                      • #26
                        Add caber and either Mast or Proviron and if needed get you come Cialis

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                        • #27
                          Diesel... what dosage of:
                          - caber
                          - mast or proviron

                          and for how long?

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                          • #28
                            Test Propionate seems to counter all ill side effects as some of the aforementioned, ive ran tren A once for 12 weeks and honestly towards the end there wasnt any real counter for the erection issues, and as of now im runnin Methyltrienolone, oral Tren, and its only week 2 but no sides so far, but my best advice is find you some good propionate I think most would agree, best of luck

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                            • #29
                              Sooooo, I'm really glad I read this apparently I didn't read up on tren enough. This is my first time using tren and I only recently added it, I still have no problem getting horny cause I'm taking test and HCG too but my dick will like get soft during sex and its been pretty embarrassing. I take adderall for school (which in combination with the gear sometimes makes me extremely aggressive/irritable) and I thought this was why I couldn't maintain a hard on. Apparently adderall keeps all the blood flowing in the primary organs and your dick apparently is not considered a primary organ. So anyway I have been trying to do school without adderall so I can have sex but tonight when I tried again I still couldn't stay hard and even when I can I can never cum. Very glad I saw this cause now I know why I'm not functioning properly. What can I do I'm on a 3:1 test to tren ratio with a decent amount of hcg and I really don't wanna drop the tren cause my strength is going up exponentially.
                              A Journey of a Thousand Miles Begins with a Single Step.

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                              • #30
                                bad-mofo, what are you doing for estro? I have had the exact same experience running just test e at 500/wk. The reason....... I killed my estro levels. I have found that estro to high or too low can do some crazy things (at least in my experience). I am also 41 and just finished my 2nd cycle of just test e.

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