kicking around ideas with tren...

[Gymrat827 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gymrat827]

well i want to take the plunge. ive done 3 aas and 5 ph runs in the past. 6ft, 212, 11%


no.1

tren ace 1-6 @ 300-350mg
tes e 1-12 @ 600mg
EQ 1-6 @ 300mg, 7-12 @ 600mg


no.2
tren ace 1-6 @ 300-350mg
tes e 1-12 @ 400mg
anavar 1-8 70mg

no.3
tren e 1-9 @ 350mg
test p 1-5 200mg
test e 1-12 500mg




i have done quite a bit of research. the biggest thing i worry about is sleep. I am already on 2 sleeping pills from a sleep specialist. thats the last thing i need being fuked up. I may use 200mcg od Ipam pre bed while on the tren just to make sure i sleep as good as possible.

Not sure that will ensure i sleep tho??

id like to cut and bulk....hence the choice to use tren

[~BG~ Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ~BG~]

No1 but lower test to 400-500 and run the tren at the end.

[Gymrat827 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gymrat827]

if i did that the cycle would suck for the first 3-5wks.......

[yeabuddy Member Find all posts View Profile Close yeabuddy]

if i did that the cycle would suck for the first 3-5wks.......

maybe use prop instead of e then...?

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

300mg EW EQ is going to do nothing for you. start with 600mg from wk 1. it also takes a long time to kick in. basically, the way you have EQ set up now, i would expect it to start working in about wk 12. 600mg for 16 wks would allow you a good 10 wks of growth off the eq.

really though, with your experience, i think you would do just fine running test and tren alone. you'll be shocked at how much tren will do. no need for the eq at all. whats your goal with this cycle? if you want to do a cutter, why not just keep it simple and do 1cc prop,1cc tren, EOD, 8 wks or run test e 500mg for 10 wks. tren ace EOD for the last 8 wks.

[~BG~ Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ~BG~]

No1 but lower test to 400-500 and run the tren at the end.

Lol I miss read the thread. I didn't see the eq. Like Sam said test/tren is fine, that's all I run as far AS.

[Gymrat827 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gymrat827]

i was think i could save some EQ by only using 300mg....than once the tren is gone bump it. I gues if i use EQ ill start @ 450mg and goto 600mg after 3wks than. I love the stuff, strength, veins, makes all other stuff painless when you pin.....whats not to love?

id like to recomp. get to 9.5% and gain 8-9lbs of lbm....so lose 5lb BF and pickup 10lb when everything is said and done.


I also am kicking around this

tes e 1-14 @ 500
EQ 1-14 @ 600
Anavar 1-6 @ 80


Any input on the tren night sweats? tren keeping me up all night?? Do you think the ipam would combat this or at least allow me to get 6-7 good hrs of sleep?

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

not sure what ipam is. if you are under the care of an MD for a sleep problem, i would put a whole lot of money on you suffering issues on tren. bottom line. its just a drug. there are a lot of them out there that will help you do some amazing stuff to your physique. tren isnt the only one. i used to think that tren was the "god" of steroids cuz thats what people on the net like to say. at the end of the day though, hard work and smarts will get you anywhere you want to be. in my avatar pic, i went out of my way to prep without tren and guess what? i was in the best shape of my life and i slept like a baby all night, almost right up to the show...then hungetr got so bad it was hard to sleep, but thats another story. think long and hard. and if ipam is a controlled substance, then i would suggest a strong NO for even considering messing around with tren.

[~BG~ Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ~BG~]

not sure what ipam is. if you are under the care of an MD for a sleep problem, i would put a whole lot of money on you suffering issues on tren. bottom line. its just a drug. there are a lot of them out there that will help you do some amazing stuff to your physique. tren isnt the only one. i used to think that tren was the "god" of steroids cuz thats what people on the net like to say. at the end of the day though, hard work and smarts will get you anywhere you want to be. in my avatar pic, i went out of my way to prep without tren and guess what? i was in the best shape of my life and i slept like a baby all night, almost right up to the show...then hungetr got so bad it was hard to sleep, but thats another story. think long and hard. and if ipam is a controlled substance, then i would suggest a strong NO for even considering messing around with tren.

Amen buddy !

[bugse2342 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bugse2342]

Is is possible to just run Tren and get results?

[Gymrat827 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gymrat827]

Ipamorelin

Ipamorelin or NNC 26-0161, a polypeptide hormone, is a growth hormone secretagogue and ghrelin mimetic and analog developed by Novo Nordisk[3]. Ipamorelin belongs to the most recent generation of GHRPs from the mid 1990s and causes significant release of growth hormone by itself, due both to its suppression of somatostatin (an antagonist to GHRH) and stimulation of release of GH from the anterior pituitary, similar to GHRP-2 and GHRP-6 which are compounds from the same class (growth hormone releasing peptides).[1] The cells that produce and release GH are known as somatotropes.[2] Like GHRP-2 and GHRP-6, ipamorelin does not have ghrelin’s lipogenic properties. Like GHRP-2 and unlike GHRP-6 ipamorelin never induces hunger in mammals. Ipamorelin acts synergistically when applied during a native GHRH (growth-hormone releasing hormone) pulse or when coadministered with GHRH or a GHRH analog such as Sermorelin or GRF 1-29 (growth releasing factor, aminos 1-29).[1] The synergy comes both due to the suppression of somatostatin and the fact that ipamorelin increases GH release per-somatotrope, while GHRH increases the number of somatotropes releasing GH.[1,2]


There is also a secondary effect of neuronal excitation in the hypothalamus caused by ipamorelin, which lasts for approximately 3 hours after application, similar to GHRP-2 and GHRP-6.


Ipamorelin has a unique property among the GHRP class of peptides. That property is known as selectiveness. Raun et al demonstrated the selectiveness of ipamorelin for GH release only in a study:

The development and pharmacology of a new potent growth hormone (GH) secretagogue, ipamorelin, is described. Ipamorelin is a pentapeptide (Aib-His-D-2-Nal-D-Phe-Lys-NH2), which displays high GH releasing potency and efficacy in vitro and in vivo. As an outcome of a major chemistry programme, ipamorelin was identified within a series of compounds lacking the central dipeptide Ala-Trp of growth hormone-releasing peptide (GHRP)-1. In vitro, ipamorelin released GH from primary rat pituitary cells with a potency and efficacy similar to GHRP-6 (ECs) = 1.3+/-0.4nmol/l and Emax = 85+/-5% vs 2.2+/-0.3nmol/l and 100%). A pharmacological profiling using GHRP and growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH) antagonists clearly demonstrated that ipamorelin, like GHRP-6, stimulates GH release via a GHRP-like receptor. In pentobarbital anaesthetised rats, ipamorelin released GH with a potency and efficacy comparable to GHRP-6 (ED50 = 80+/-42nmol/kg and Emax = 1545+/-250ng GH/ml vs 115+/-36nmol/kg and 1167+/-120ng GH/ml). In conscious swine, ipamorelin released GH with an ED50 = 2.3+/-0.03 nmol/kg and an Emax = 65+/-0.2 ng GH/ml plasma. Again, this was very similar to GHRP-6 (ED50 = 3.9+/-1.4 nmol/kg and Emax = 74+/-7ng GH/ml plasma). GHRP-2 displayed higher potency but lower efficacy (ED50 = 0.6 nmol/kg and Emax = 56+/-6 ng GH/ml plasma). The specificity for GH release was studied in swine. None of the GH secretagogues tested affected FSH, LH, PRL or TSH plasma levels. Administration of both GHRP-6 and GHRP-2 resulted in increased plasma levels of ACTH and cortisol. Very surprisingly, ipamorelin did not release ACTH or cortisol in levels significantly different from those observed following GHRH stimulation. This lack of effect on ACTH and cortisol plasma levels was evident even at doses more than 200-fold higher than the ED50 for GH release. In conclusion, ipamorelin is the first GHRP-receptor agonist with a selectivity for GH release similar to that displayed by GHRH. The specificity of ipamorelin makes this compound a very interesting candidate for future clinical development.[3]


Whereas GHRP-6 and GHRP-2 cause a release and increase in cortisol and prolactin levels, ipamorelin only selectively releases GH at any dose. Further, a mega-dose of ipamorelin results in a concomitant mega-release of GH (up to the entire amount present in the pituitary), whereas GHRP-2 and GHRP-6 have limits of approximately 1mcg/kg in humans for their maximal GH release.[4,5]

[Gymrat827 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gymrat827]

its a peptide....Guess not too many guys here use them.

[Gymrat827 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gymrat827]

the drugs i take are very very similar to ambien and lunesta. I was on both of those at one time but after a yr or so of use they became ineffective.

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

ok, i know ipamorelin. i thought you were writing short hand for a prescription sleep med.

but yea, to expand a little more, i guess i had to learn on my own, through personal experience that tren wasnt necessary. dont get me wrong, it can yeild some good results. when i cycle though, i like my expereinces to be pleasent. i like to feel good and enjoy myself. a lot of times, in the middle of a cycle, i feel on top of the world. tren....well, it can take some people to the opposite of 'on top of the world'. everyone is different. some people are fine on it. if you're already predisposed to sleep issues, like i was saying, it'll probably be amplified by the tren. and as far as night sweats go, even the guys who handle tren well still get night sweats. it just goes with it for most people.

now to be hypocritical, lol...i am actually going to try running a very very low dose of tren again this yr for my contest prep. just the last 4 wks. we're talking what will probably be a very very small dose. if i weren't competing, i would never even consider it again. who knows. i might deside to cut it if i'm not feeling well. on the bright side, if you do want to see for yourself just what tren is all about, tren ace is easy to control. stop the injections and you'll feel a little better within a couple days

[Gymrat827 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gymrat827]

do you think 250mg of tren ace a wk will be worth it?? just to try it?? i think i may just pickup one bottle of it and see how i react to it. I know the gains would be small, but i want to see if i can handle it.

mast would be my next choice but its not going to provide the gains in muscle or fatloss like tren.