Basic way of taking hcg

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I'm going to discuss the basic way of during hacg. I have learned through the years through trial and error not to let my test shut completely down. I will explain after i discuss the basic way of taking hcg. HCG is used in medical reasons for induce ovulation disorders in women. It is also used in men to stimulate the testes hypogonadal, (underproduction of testosterone) men. It is also used in treatent of undescended testicles in young males. HCG is very helpful to ale on AAS, it offers no use for woman in that matter.

Post Cycle therapy, one should use 1000-2000 2-3 times a week for about three weeks. just cycle at the end of AAS cycle. I say start it three weeks after your first shot, others say different. most will use nolvadex while on HCG, because hcg does nothing for gynecomastia and some say hcg may flair it up. After hcg cycle, follow it up with nolvadex and two three weeks of clomid.

I prefer to use hcg 2500 every seven days while on my cycle. This way the body those not know weather to shut down or say open. i also use arimdex instead of nolvadex. But space it out well because you need some estrogen. This works for me.

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As always this information is priceless.......... thanks Safelife

[goanywhere Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close goanywhere]

Thank you Safelife. I am very interested in learning more.

I know this is probably easy for most here but will ask anyway. What about oral or sub lingual HCG? Is it any good? I am doubtful but have reasons to ask.

Good to see you Limo.

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Thank u guys. Oral hcg never heard of it. But there is no way there is a oral hcg. Unless the pregnant woman is pissing it out. Do you know where hcg comes from?

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Thank u guys. Oral hcg never heard of it. But there is no way there is a oral hcg. Unless the pregnant is pissing it out. Do you know where hcg coes from?

No I don't. No Idea.

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No I don't. No Idea.

Hahahaha lolz Safelife no need to ruin it for him.... Keep it a secret im sure the pregnant women wouldn't be to happy you telling him they piss in a cup and here comes HCG lol i guess its rather nasty in a way but good for my TESTES~!!!!

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Hahahaha lolz Safelife no need to ruin it for him.... Keep it a secret im sure the pregnant women wouldn't be to happy you telling him they piss in a cup and here comes HCG lol i guess its rather nasty in a way but good for my TESTES~!!!!

Wow. Sounds like fun. Thanks. I'll take a cute one!

Hey - wait a damn minute. Your enjoying this way to much!

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Its better than where it used to come from - cadavers.

I thought that was HGH they used to harvest from cadavers.

Just did a little reading on HCG - and yep - they were correct! Had to check though.

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Ha ha, no you got to tell him, just in case he finds corn then he know it came from the wrong spot. But you can take the corn and process it and make dextrose, corn surgar. So no waste.

Hahahaha lolz Safelife no need to ruin it for him.... Keep it a secret im sure the pregnant women wouldn't be to happy you telling him they piss in a cup and here comes HCG lol i guess its rather nasty in a way but good for my TESTES~!!!!

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Ha ha, goanywhere, you checked? LOL LMBO..

I thought that was HGH they used to harvest from cadavers.

Just did a little reading on HCG - and yep - they were correct! Had to check though.

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Safelife - Glad you got a good laugh. Hey - it is what it is.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

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All good bro. Trust me i need a laugh from time to time. diet is killing me.

Safelife - Glad you got a good laugh. Hey - it is what it is.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

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SAFE just wondering what you thought of lower dosage 100iu ED or 200iu 2x week ?
Thanks.

ref below article;
HCG unraveled –

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. (1) More specifically LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.

When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. (2-6,19) However, this degeneration can be prevented by a small maintenance dose of hCG ran throughout the cycle. Unfortunately, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that hCG should be used after a cycle, during PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle.

Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. (21,22) A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (2,11) (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) (12-18) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function.

One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production.

To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. (2-6) Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) The point here is to not judge testosterone secretion capacity by testicular size.



The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. (8) In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. (7) Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production. 20)

These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).

In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.

Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)

Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT.

By Eric M. Potratz - has developed his education in the field of endocrinology and performance enhancement through years of research, counseling, and real world experience. Over the past five years he has been a private consultant for hundreds of athletes and bodybuilders alike

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bump............

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How are you guys administering the hcg, isn't it suppost to be injected into your stomach like hgh? But at that many ius how are you doing it? I've done up to 6 ius of hgh before with an insulin pin, but 200 ius is alot unless going intramuscular. Please help I'm confused. Lol