1st cycle, winstrol and???

[Youngin Member Find all posts View Profile Close Youngin]

Winstrol will dry you out, and make your joints hurt like hell. If you wanna try something just get a simple test and see how your body re-acts. However I do agree with the guys on here.. They are hard on new people, but their just being brutally honest.. If your food, supplements, and rest are not dead on, you will be throwing money down the drain on stuff your not ready for.

[asot77 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close asot77]

Okay if i will use winstrol, i will be using, glucosamin for my joints which I have already bought orange triad ( Multivitamin + Joint formula) and as I've said, 6 to -8 weeks. I will just see how my body reacts. I don't understand what is wrong with my diet tbh because I use the maths, I calculate my diet and get sufficient amount of nutritions ( Which I think I am). Some of other oral steroids are much worst on liver and gyno. Apart from oxandrolone which is cleanest and the most expensive out of all wont give much of a size to me. So lean gains wise I though winstrol would be the best option even though all the sides. which I am likely pay the consequences or atleast stop using it if it makes me fell funny. I will also run all my blood test, b4 running it and after on it, to make sure im all ok to use. Thanks ( Also sorry for my English, I am likely to make a lot of spelling mistakes haha )

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

Do remember one thing, steroids, no matter what kind, are NOT fat shredders, steroids are never used for weight loss. They might help, by building more muscles, so ultimately shredding more fat but they are muscle builders. That being said, it's not just about math, a diet consists of solid food. Not of supplements. It's ok to ingest 1 or 2 shakes a day, but you can't rely on shakes only.

Look; like most new comers on here, you don't really give a damn about our critics, and you're going to do it your way anyway. Most people on here know I'm blunt and are fine with it so I'll be blunt with you as well.

You're going to be using gear, going to pay a lot of money for something you have no clue about. What's going to happen? Either you'll get bitch tits and you won't even know what to do, what then? Have you thought about it? How are you going to deal with that? What if you gain an excessive amount of fat? What will you do then? Quit? You do realize that during your pct you'll feel down, and it'll be a lot tougher on you to shred those pounds? What then? What if your joints are hurting despite the fact that you're on Orange Triad? I've been on OT and I can tell you it's nothing exceptional, at least nothing that would seriously help your joints in case of ingesting too much winstrol.

You obviously are looking for an easy way to reach your goal, but as I've said to many before, and to you, if you're not capable of reaching your goal without gear, then you won't with either. You're going to waste good money, probably won't keep any of your gains, and you might as well regret what's gonna come from it.

So do yourself a favor, spend hours reading about the subject.

[asot77 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close asot77]

I do give damn about your critics, I do get that ur saying my diet sucks, but why. when you make a critic you should reference it aswell, like " Your diet sucks because you dont eat this this this, this much" Its not that easy to understand what is wrong when u dont actually clarify what the problem is. I do read and respect your critic as I am newbie, you do know a lot more than I do so guide me more clearly then just criticising and leaving behind the details. Thanks

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

That's the thing... I did point out what was wrong with it... but alright - you're 176cm for 80kg, which seems to be a healthy weight. You said you were, according to you to 15% body fat as well. You said you were calculating everything, could you please tell me how many meals a day you're taking?By reading you, I'm guessing 8 or 9, am I right? If so what are your shakes exactly? Can you give me the brands and names of the shakes, especially the gainers?

Gainers are a bad choice if you're trying to lower your body fat %, they are a bad choice in general for any easy gainers like us. That's the first thing I would replace, and if you're looking for carbs cook yourself something.. you'll like it much better as well. As for your other protein shakes, what are they?

Also, how many calories per meal ? How many calories, protein, and carbs are you taking in a day as well ? I need to know these things.

I can't consider myself an AAS pro, definitely not actually. But I can proclaim to be a fat loss pro... Krazy and a few others on here can pretend to be the same as we all achieved, for the most part naturally, huge weightloss while keeping on most our lean mass. We do know what it takes to transform bodies in general* not to mention that everyone on this forum has made mistakes and we're trying for you not to repeat them.

Give me the information I asked, then I or the others will be able to answer you

Also, winstrol is a weak steroid, personally it didn't do shit on me... and many will say that it's an end touch to your cycles... meaning that you may want to use it once you're already at a low body fat. You may want to look into TBOL instead, even DBOL... but in all honesty, winstrol isn't worth the bucks for what you'd use it for

[asot77 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close asot77]

I am not really fussed about my bf now tbh, summer is all gone and I cant cut any carbs and I do eat as lean as possible. Heres the list of supplements I use and also my diet:

upon waking up: 1 scoop Optimum 100% when, 3g DAA + 5g olimp Creatine xplode + 5g Argine
40 mins later 3 Weetabix ( or same amount f oats) + 2 whole 3 white eggs - Multi V, Omega 3,6,9 and Universal Tribulus
1.30 hrs later Gainer = Biotech Nitro Gain ( Not sure if u heard of it heres supplement facts
2hrs later: Tuna with salad and rice and corn crackers or just salad
2hrs later: Chicken and rice or pasta
1hr later Gym - Pre workout, L-argine, DAA bcaa and 2mg caffine pill- ( wokout time around an hour)
After gym b4 cardio I get my gainer again
1hr after workout last meal of day, Chicken or fish with some rice and vegies - Omega 3-6-9 Multi V and Universal Tribulus
Before bed some cottage cheese and a scoop of Weider Caseine

And btw I will use gainer 1 more month then instead a gainer after bfast I will squese a meal and after workout i will use a similar protein but with less carbs.

So these is my typical day. In advance thanks for help and critics

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

Bottom line bud, youre not ready for AAS. Personally for me, winstrol did not cut my bf% dramatically like i thought it would. You would do better with clen if thats your goal. Winstrol is a hardener and will only show results at about 12% or lower. As far as your diet goes, play around with it until you find something that works for YOU since what works for me might not work for you. Once you find something that allows you to cut fat easily, stick with it. In the mean time, research research research

[asot77 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close asot77]

no no no my main aim now is to get lean muscle not to cut fat. I did use Clen once, just clen and it was incredible. I just want lean gains thats all Its not time to cut anyway, at least not on my diary yet the reason of winstrol is that it is good for lean gains. I am not trying to bulk up with steroids, so the idea of winstrol and an injection is to get lean muscle not to cut. I do know that theres no Miricle pill /injection, it is all up to you and your genetic. So basically my aim is to get lean gains thats all

[Big L Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Big L]

First i dont like winstrol for ya at 15 percent. For you tbol test cypinate at 500 eq at 600. I know first cycle but what the heck do it good And yes i think there is a miracle pill called oral tren. Once you try it your hooked man. Its aweasome this cycle should bring you down to 10 percent then hit up winstol and masterone

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

Then youd be better off with a test p/npp or mast cycle. To me the cons of winny out weight its pros for what ur trying to do

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

your genetics helps but AAS overcome genetics. It's all up to you in the end as you said, with or WITHOUT gear.

[asot77 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close asot77]

okay so what do you guys think, am I ready. if so what shall I do? just be honest, Im likely to listen your thoughts then the little devil in my brain and as Ive said I am quite unpleasant with needles. I do fell down when I do any kind of them specially when im giving blood... god I turn whiteeee!!!

and @Xamo: My shoulder build sucks which lets me down on chest and shoulder exercises . I don't have worlds best genetics but still I look at bright side I try my best with them...

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

That's not what I meant, I definitely don't have the perfect genetic myself, hell no, what I meant is, you could easily achieve your goals naturally... you obviously haven't really been working out for that long, and you haven't reached your full potential naturally... why not reach it prior to using?

[Big L Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Big L]

Okay well what cycle you gona choose

[asot77 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close asot77]

@Xamo: No im not saying you got the worlds best genetics, I was just talking about my cons


@Big L: Okay so if i use the stack you say, instead inj Dbol can I use oral? coz, test c and eq is enj I am not sure if I can coop with that much injections I would get messy. How long does this cycle has to go? 8-12 weeks? Coz test c can go 12 weeks with no worries but oral dbol can go up to 8 weeks as it stresses liver. And PCT? Just clomid enough?

Thanks