1st Time AAS users

[ODB]

This is a great mssg, I found it very helpful.

Bottom line: I want to get about 2X bigger than I am now, and have a sex drive and can perform. Shrinkage is very noticeable, and I've heard/read about HCG use @ the end of my cycle. Cycle started basically Feb 1, so Apr 1 is about 8 weeks. Should I then back down to 200/bi-weekly, HCG, wait ?? before starting another cycle?
What do you suggest?

U r not on a "cycle" per se cuz ur always "ON" - TRT, u r just boosting then returning to TRT does.
U can try HCG but it may be a temporary fluff.
The hard part about TRT is finding that mix between Test + Estro, boosting ur test w/out controlling estro will give u similar sides as low T.
both high + low estro r problems.
sorry but u gotta find that sweet-spot for urself.

[05mako]

Final post before first cycle

Wow seems like a lot to digest. All the insight for a first timer is great. If someone wanting to try some test and doesn't do this shame on them. All of the info has been very enlightening. Thanks to you all for the directions. Injecting a foreign substance into your body is scary enough let alone not seeking guidance to insure your doing it right and making the right decision to do it properly and take your time. So I guess I will hit you all back in a few weeks and let you know how things turn out. Thanks again for all your time and input you all have been a great help. 05mako

[Time Bandit]

[QUOTE=MrBig;69898]I used HGH for 1 year, and now I have growth gut, but not as bad as these.

Mr.BIG , Thanks for posting the pics. that just cured me of test trying it.

[Skibuck]

This is a great mssg, I found it very helpful. I'm not a big guy, and I've recently returned to the gym after an 11 yr absence. I take cypionate for low test from my primary. 200mg/bi-weekly, which is nothing. I independently increased dosage incrementally to 500mg/week (300 each glute on Thu, 200 ea glute on Sun). A pro builder I met suggested I step down my weekly to 400/week for a couple weeks, then down to 300/wk.

I have basically a swimmer's build but more defined; great delts, pecs need more size but looking good, arms coming along, legs lookin' good (genes) and my glutes are growing nicely. I want a muscular look, but not too big. Due to low T, for 10 yrs I had no libido, difficulty getting it up, more difficulty keeping it up, and climaxing. The test has helped a lot in the sex area, but not consistent. I just can't be a guy who can't even get off 1-2 times/wk min.

Hope I haven't confused you. Bottom line: I want to get about 2X bigger than I am now, and have a sex drive and can perform. Shrinkage is very noticeable, and I've heard/read about HCG use @ the end of my cycle. Cycle started basically Feb 1, so Apr 1 is about 8 weeks. Should I then back down to 200/bi-weekly, HCG, wait ?? before starting another cycle?

What do you suggest?

[MrBig]

I used HGH for 1 year, and now I have growth gut, but not as bad as these.

[ODB]

If I were to use some hgh would I use this in conjunction with the test?
Any recommendations on an estrogen blocker or pct for a first time. The blocker I would like to get with my first order and have it if I need it. Thanks for all your help.

U can use GH on or off Test but I thought we just established that u most likely will always be "ON"
(I've been using GH for aprx 1.5-2yrs straight).

I like aromasin but adex is just as good also+may be a good beginners choice - personal choice.

[MrBig]

I'd stay away from HGH, you have to use it for 6 month to a year to see any results and the sides are irreversible, plus that shit is expensive!!!!

[05mako]

I really appreciate all the feedback. I realize that I would have to do this for a long time, thing is as I get older I'm sure I would be needing it at sometime anyway. Now seems like a good time to start. As for keeping it simple i agree with that. After doing more reading I will probably go with test c or e and just try to get by with that. I do want to start out slow and work my way through it properly and if starting slow and easy is the right way I'm all for it. If I were to use some hgh would I use this in conjunction with the test? Any recommendations on an estrogen blocker or pct for a first time. The blocker I would like to get with my first order and have it if I need it. Thanks for all your help.

[MrsBig]

I love your analogy, I totally agree and this is a GREAT post. I have gone by the same concept and believe I've gotten max results.

[Time Bandit]

Low T SUCKS!!! Its like one of the deepest holes to get out of... Never want to do with out T again.

[ODB]

Thanks for the insight ODB. I received your advice from my last post and have seen my md and he says my test low normal 300 or 400. Any advice on using maybe 200 mg of test prop and 200 deca for my first cycle? Also would hgh191aa do me any good? Thanks for your help.

300-400 is ok/good (read TimeBandits post) but if u feel like crap then lets get rocking - just remember this is forever.

For #1 drop the deca to much to play with + learn for ur 1st cycle
If ur going for TRT or HRT cruise then 150-200mg is cool but if ur going to hit a boost/cycle I wld like to see a Nice 250-300mg Test C or E cycle 2xwk possibly w/a Dbol bump if u choose.

I do feel that GH is of great benefit to us older males but it is costly...if u have the $ add it @ 2ius EOD (or on workout days).

[Nature101]

For a first cycle- I would not recommend test prop. Its a lot of maintenance and is very painful, especially to muscles not used to having a needle injected into them everyday. For a first cycle id recommend Test Enanthate or Cypionate. Only have to inject 2x a week instead of 5+ that you would with prop. At 200 mg of Test E/C you would be doing yourself some good. 500mg of test alone per week is more standard as most of us here are more tuned into body building, but 200 will most certainly raise your T levels. As far as Deca, well I dont usually tell new users to run more than a single compound for many reasons, one being you typically dont need it and you wont want to get used to running too many compounds too early. Also, your body is going to react differently to different compounds and its a good idea to get used to one ( Test) before adding a second. The HGH191aa is also something I would put on the shelf for later use. administering and keeping track of 3 major compounds for your first cycle is overkill. Not to mention all the AIs you have to dial in and a good solid PCT. Keep it simple bro, this is a marathon- not a sprint!

[Time Bandit]

If I may.. The new low is less then 500 and I would look into whats the cause for the low.. There are a number of factors that can lead to low-T .
The reason I raise the issue is cause after your cycle your testicles are going to be in a shut down state. If there was an issue before your cycle
I would think you would want to check it out first before you smoke your chances of still producing your own test after PCT.

Just my 2 cents.

I'm also on HRT user.

[05mako]

Thanks for the insight ODB. I received your advice from my last post and have seen my md and he says my test low normal 300 or 400. Any advice on using maybe 200 mg of test prop and 200 deca for my first cycle? Also would hgh191aa do me any good? Thanks for your help.

[G1LBY]

That's well described ODB. I'm new to the AAS never used them I was a Powerlifter for about 6 years been working out for 11 years. I was gonna run 500mg test cyp/ 30mg Dbol a week. I was wondering if it was a good start at the right dose. Also, I'm gonna be 26 in a month I'm 5'10", 195lbs @ 9% BF. I have a past of my body weight going up to 220 naturally. Was wondering if Test/Dbol is a good cycle for size and strength.