guns in the US

[spark1597 Member Find all posts View Profile Close spark1597]

You can't compare a soldier to a civilian... and yes I remember quite clearly the oath. I live by it every day. Ppl are free to do whatever and I respect their choices, however I find silly the self protection argument. I'm active not ex even tho it means the exact same thing

I don't believe I was the one who was initially doing any comparison. If I recall correctly, you started the comparison by downtrodding civilians shooting skills in an active shooter/shooting scenario. I was simpling explaining how your point was mute as combat/shooting scenarios impact every human in some degree no matter what your skill level is.
Given your stance, you would rather have citizens unarmed? Ok... So which do you you prefer when the sh!t hits the fan, an unarmed citizen (who is powerless), or an unskilled armed citizen who's skills can be honed?

[Ares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ares]

guys come on now... its not the weapon that makes a man, its the man that makes the weapon

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

I'd rather have an unarmed civilian who knows hand to hand self defense than an armed civilian who isn't reliable using a weapon. The law states that ammunition isn't to be in the firearm while you're carrying it with you. Now I'm not naive enough to believe that in a self defense scenario(that basically means close range unless in a war zone) you or anyone else would have the time to take the bullets, load the weapon then fire. Plus, even if they make it, with the stress, I don't want to see collateral damages and there would probably be. Plus, in a self defense scenario, it's not the guy with the firearm that will usually win, but the one with the bat, knife, tazer or the best hand to hand skills.

Yes I use a firearm for a living, not because I find it cool, but I decided to put my life on the line in order to protect this country. It's a job, and a way of living and definitely not comparable to any of this. I definitely don't find firearms cool. Anyway I find this quite insulting.

Again I'm not naive enough to believe that people solely want firearms for self protection however, I respect everyone's choice and I expect the same from any of you.

They should however make it harder for people to own a firearm. Anyone can have one basically, that unless you have a bad criminal record. They should at least have you take hours of shooting/informative classes with at the end a certificate as a requirement to having a gun. Yet they don't.

Anyway I won't post on this thread again, it's like most things, people are too close minded to see others' points of views. It's useless to debate over it.

I like u guys but u seriously all need to chill

[spark1597 Member Find all posts View Profile Close spark1597]

I'd rather have an unarmed civilian who knows hand to hand self defense than an armed civilian who isn't reliable using a weapon. The law states that ammunition isn't to be in the firearm while you're carrying it with you. Now I'm not naive enough to believe that in a self defense scenario(that basically means close range unless in a war zone) you or anyone else would have the time to take the bullets, load the weapon then fire. Plus, even if they make it, with the stress, I don't want to see collateral damages and there would probably be. Plus, in a self defense scenario, it's not the guy with the firearm that will usually win, but the one with the bat, knife, tazer or the best hand to hand skills.

Yes I use a firearm for a living, not because I find it cool, but I decided to put my life on the line in order to protect this country. It's a job, and a way of living and definitely not comparable to any of this. I definitely don't find firearms cool. Anyway I find this quite insulting.

Again I'm not naive enough to believe that people solely want firearms for self protection however, I respect everyone's choice and I expect the same from any of you.

They should however make it harder for people to own a firearm. Anyone can have one basically, that unless you have a bad criminal record. They should at least have you take hours of shooting/informative classes with at the end a certificate as a requirement to having a gun. Yet they don't.

Anyway I won't post on this thread again, it's like most things, people are too close minded to see others' points of views. It's useless to debate over it.

I like u guys but u seriously all need to chill

I can relate to what you are saying as this is a sensitive topic. I will agree with you about the 9 foot rule in which you elude to ( which has been expanded).
As it stands, it is illegal for people to carry hot unless they're licensed to do so (depending on the State you live). People who normally purchase weapons, in my experience, get some form of training if they want to carry.
Criminals are going to get what they're going to get. I'm not naive enough to believe other wise. The government has never been able to control contraband and never will.
I never meant to insult you xamo, it was merely a debate. A debate that will never end. I just don't want to see the country be taken over by tyrants.
I do thank you and mil ex-mil guys for your service to our country.
Remember, this is a heated topic and people get rather defensive about their beliefs which is good...it shows we still have some brothers that'll take care of business if needed.

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

I can relate to what you are saying as this is a sensitive topic. I will agree with you about the 9 foot rule in which you elude to ( which has been expanded).
As it stands, it is illegal for people to carry hot unless they're licensed to do so (depending on the State you live). People who normally purchase weapons, in my experience, get some form of training if they want to carry.
Criminals are going to get what they're going to get. I'm not naive enough to believe other wise. The government has never been able to control contraband and never will.
I never meant to insult you xamo, it was merely a debate. A debate that will never end. I just don't want to see the country be taken over by tyrants.
I do thank you and mil ex-mil guys for your service to our country.
Remember, this is a heated topic and people get rather defensive about their beliefs which is good...it shows we still have some brothers that'll take care of business if needed.

Yeah I know. I just think people get ahead of themselves and see guns as an easy way out... As I said, I respect everyone and their beliefs, In fact, I have many friends who carry guns... I don't despise them or anything. I even laugh about it with them, but it's a double edged sword, if it helps one day, it'll cut you another day...

As for the training, in most states all you need to do it to get yourself a hunting license and you're g2g... here you go to a sports authority or walmart, pay 15 bucks and have your license ready... see what I mean?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Make it easier for good people to get hand guns and carry them, you wont see things like this anymore. If it happens again they'll get ten people shootin back at them.

[Big L Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Big L]

If anyone should be able to carry loaded weapons it should be teachers. We trust these people with out future in this case they were our last hope in stopping this scumbag. I have heard on the new ls where the principle and other teachers jumped in the way of bullets to protect the children. There they were with noway to protect themselves and our children Becuase we have stupid laws that principle could of shot that fucker dead If you cant see we are treated like cattle out to graze all defense less and can be taken down with noway to protect ourselves. You keep protecting the criminals im so glad cops and militry can carry guns where the hell where they it only take seconds for some piece of shit to take out a town

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

Guns don't protect people. Principles and values do. How many times have I seen people get beaten up next to others, while the others would watch and do nothing about it. Blame today's society. Nothing stops you from stepping forward and give a hand. Would someone hurt a child, a woman or anyone in front of me I 'd beat the crap of the person. I'd gladly give my life in order to rescue/save someone.

ps. fuck me i can't stay out of this subject haha

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

I'm the same way that's why I said what I did "good people". Just like at the theater in Colorado, if someone fired back at him, I would almost guarantee he would have killed less people.

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

It is true that alot of the Firearms used by criminals are stolen or just plain taken from Law Abiding citizens.
The statistics + data show that if u carry a weapon chances r it will be used against U.
I too have been shot @ (more than once) But I still firmly believe in our right to carry a firearm, again it is not a privilege it is a Right.

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4]

These horrible tragedies always seem to bring out the anit-gun lobbies but these sicko's will just find another weapon; Tragedy In China: Deranged Man Stabs 22 School Children
http://elitedaily.com/elite/2012/tragedy-china-deranged-man-stabs-22-school-children/

I do believe that the Fed Gov needs to stop being pussy's and create a Federal License to carry law in which the requirements are standard (more training, ie gun retention etc) + u can carry in all 50 states.

If u make firearms illegal only criminals will have firearms

But what do I know I'm just a dumb BB JuiceHead .

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Thats exactly what I'm saying, this stupid ass class that you take to get a permit doesn't mean shit. take the good people and give them a week or so of training so that they know how to handle a hand gun, when to use it and when not to use it. So there not shooting up the town. Training not that class that tells you were and were you can't carry, fuckin dumb ass class.

[Pauliuch Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pauliuch]

wow

I think we should just stick to talking about juice

You were probably right.

Unfortunately so many people are capable of losing it for the stupidest reasons. Watch internet videos and you see rich, poor people of all races, young, old being as violent as can be. Road rage, bullying at middle school while people record it on their cellphones, while laughing, just watch the YNC website or others like it. Hey I got my hunting license by paying $50. no classes, just know the right people, not that I even use it. Point being that some regular people can instantly become crazy in a heartbeat, we have all witnessed this at one point. Just hope the next time one of us sees a nutcase lose it he is unarmed.

I'm not being anti gun or pro gun here, but both sides make good points.

[spark1597 Member Find all posts View Profile Close spark1597]

Someone asked where were the Cops? I tell you where the Cops were. They were dealing with some dumbass that depends on the government to solve their problems. The same problems that they're too lazy to fix themselves. I remember seeing sign that says something like "Don't feed the animals as they will become dependent upon you." Kind of ironic when you compare this to people.

As for teachers carrying, hell yes! My wife is a teacher. I fear for her safety nowadays. Anything to at least give her a chance.

[ds222 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ds222]

if they would enforce the laws already on the books, half these issues would be gone..same as immigration, same as most of the other problems...more laws never equals less problems

[shafranko Member Find all posts View Profile Close shafranko]

What if we had an armed guard at every school?