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[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

What about-

12 week test/deca 650/500

Followed directly by andromix @ 500test p/350 tren/350 mast for 8 weeks.

20 wk total

Oral kick start first 6 weeks dbol.

AI aromasin 12.5 mg E3D

Caber .5 E3D

HCG on hand

Clomid pct

Thoughts?

-Nature

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

I like. Only think im worried about is you might have probs getty natty to come back fully running those 19 nors for so long. Shits hard on the body

[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

Yeah - that's true they shut u down major. I ran npp for 14 weeks and had a couple probs. I didn't run any HCG tho and perhaps I should have.

[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

Any suggestion or critiques out there?

[tsek0s Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tsek0s]

you can run hcg during the cycle to save whatever you can of your nuts mate and i think you can add some oral winny for kick off too its stacks great with andromix :P

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

I like it, nice heavy long cycle, looks good!!

[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

Maybe run dbol for first 4 weeks and then as I switch to the mix I can add the winny thanks for the replies fellas.

-Nature

[Sasquats Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sasquats]

Wow I'm intrigued I'm running test/deca at those same doses 6 weeks in and have 8 weeks worth of andromix on the way. Now I'm thinking of doing the same thing. So does it seem alright

[Sasquats Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sasquats]

What seems better 5 weeks of winny at start of andromix or for last 5 weeks

[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

I'm thinking that the winny towards end sounds a little better actually. Good post squats

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Absolutely the winny at the end of the cycle, you can go 5-6 weeks at the end.

[Pauliuch Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pauliuch]

My question is why do you want to run such a long cycle, or I should say two consecutive cycles? I understand how sad it is to have to stop any cycle. I have only been cycling for a few years and it seems all my cycles have lasted longer than I planned. Up to around 4 months. In my experience once the gear starts kicking in the gains come along nice and steady. Then after several weeks of gains it all seems to just stop. The last few weeks of my cycles it's like my body can't get any stronger or bigger. I think from now on I would rather do shorter cycles like 12 weeks max. I only speak from my experience I don't know if other guys continue to gain until they stop juicing. All you guys telling him to do this long cycle, do you continue to gain till end?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

I did a 20 weeker last winter, I went from 180lbs to 223lbs and I was gaining right to the end.

[Sasquats Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sasquats]

Sounds good I'm on board. One last question I'm thinking of running mix @ 100ml eod do you think I should add some extra prop or keep test the same. In terms of sides. Thanks in advance

[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

Not this last cycle but the one before I went 20 weeks and gained until the end. All my cycles I have gained till the end. I chose this one because it in a way it promotes both bulking and cutting without the need to cycle off before cutting. I dislike bulking and then carry the excess fat through pct and full recovery. Usually takes me about 6-7 weeks to fully restore my natty T so in this case I can cut and rip up before I pct and not have to worry about anything. Also I like the heavy gains from the test and deca and when i switch to the andro I feel like it will help keep and harden the gains. I've never done it like this so I won't know that for sure but something tells me this will workout great .

Worth a try!

-Nature