MegaDosing

[HardGainer Member Find all posts View Profile Close HardGainer]

I'm hoping not to get flamed after I post the quantities of gear I'm running while this is only really my third cycle. I'm sure people will tell me I'm doing something wrong in my training, question my diet/nutrition, ask how much I'm sleeping and then tell me well my gear must be underdosed or bunk. I am prepared to defend all of the above but the reason I'm posting this is because I want to ask, is there anyone else who has found that they are not as sensitive to anabolic's as most and need to inject large quantities to get the same results as other people.

I started off my cycle at a moderate 600 mgs of test while front loading with superdrol. After 3 weeks my libido went way up which told me the test had kicked in. However, after 8 frustrating weeks of nothing but some mild weight gain I kicked the dose up to 750.

After 5 more weeks I then decided again to up the dose and add tren. For several weeks I was injecting 1250 mgs weekly and 400 milligrams of tren e weekly. I finally began to have moderate strength gains. Still not being satisfied though (because I see people on 500 mgs blow up) I am currently cycling this...

1500 mgs testosterone cypionate every week
600 mgs trenbolone enanthate every week
80 mgs dianabol (2nd oral of this cycle) every day
50 mgs aromasin every day
.5 pramipexole every night
500iu HCG every 3rd day

I am also taking large quantities of Hawthorn Berries, Milk Thistle, and Red Yeast Rice to protect my body.

[ds222 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ds222]

its not that high of doses if you have worked up to that...how many cycles have you done? and if i were you id have some letro on hand just in case

[Big L Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Big L]

The only good thing you mentioned is that no newbies follow this cycle
Everytime you up your dose how fast do think ur gona see results EVERYTIME
You add more you still have to wait 3 to 4 weeks to get in u your body im with you on one point that there is alot of people bullcrapping about what great gains on limited gear there on Some people with good gentics will only need alittle juice. Which isnt the case in most of us hard gainers
I would like to know your height weight and telling us your diet there is no doubt in my mind we cant get you back down to 750 mg cyp and see same results as 1250. If you dont let us help your gone be up to 2000 mg on 4 th cycle

[ds222 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ds222]

one other thing, you gear might be shit or underdosed..there is a lot of under dosed gear going around and some is just shit, like QDL....try to stick with brands that are known to be good and accurately dosed

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

Hum....how long is your cycle cause I count at least 15 weeks? Well yeah unlike the others I'll also tell you that this is a shit load of gear for a third cycle..and I highly doubt that you needed that much in order to get better.. something must indeed have been off in your diet.. or the gear you got as ds222 said perhaps was highly underdosed...

Anyway.. did you try changing brand and trying a normal dosing ?

[EthanWS6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EthanWS6]

I've noticed that my body doesn't respond as well as others to gear, but I'm personally not a fan of fucking myself up. So instead of upping doses like that, I'll just accept the fact that I might have to hit it an extra year or two before I actually reach my goals. I'd rather just do MORE cycling than HIGHER cycling. Just my opinion.

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

The thing is the more gear you do the less you respond and then have to add more each time. So two things happen you have to use more and now it will cost you more, the best thing for you to do when you come off is stay off for a while, then you can go back to using less. Like Xamo say, diet is going to have the biggest effect on putting on size.

[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

I always thought i was more of a hard gainer. Been on for 6 years with moderate gains. I always thought i had a good diet too until i realized i wasnt eating enough. I bumped up my cal from 3000 to 5000 and here on my 6th cycle, im seeing dramatic gains in size. My gear is at 600mg test and 4-500 NPP. If you are eating enough- you will grow. Especially at those doses. If youre not growing, my guess is you think you are eating enough but you are not, or your gear is junk ( but if ur gear is junk, and ur eating enough- you will still grow).

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

I always thought i was more of a hard gainer. Been on for 6 years with moderate gains. I always thought i had a good diet too until i realized i wasnt eating enough. I bumped up my cal from 3000 to 5000 and here on my 6th cycle, im seeing dramatic gains in size. My gear is at 600mg test and 4-500 NPP. If you are eating enough- you will grow. Especially at those doses. If youre not growing, my guess is you think you are eating enough but you are not.

A lot of guys think they are eating enough but there not, the biggest most common mistake.

[Pauliuch Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pauliuch]

Yeah, that's a shitload of gear, 3 rd cycle huh. I think your expectations are probably unrealistic. Are you having major side effects? If your not it could be a sign of bad gear. I've only used for two years, but trained on and off for 30 years. Almost everyone I know, my age never touched gear. Some of them look awesome, better than the guys i know on gear. Point I'm making is don't be to quick to blame lack of progress on not enough gear. I know it sucks but it takes time, trial and error, etc. I have learned to be happy with small accomplishments like an extra 5 lbs here and there. It has added up in the past two years to a lot of weight.

[Shrek Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Shrek]

I agree with the ones before and I know how easy it is too eat too little. Sometimes I think I'm eating enough too grow and when I count kcal it's hardly enough for a diet I also think that that amount of gear can fuck your body up with massive side effects, so, I'd recount and rethink my diet, training and gear

[stallion Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close stallion]

I agree with the responses you've received. How did the first two cycles go for you? I have also not seen anyone run 50 mg of aromasin everyday either.

[HardGainer Member Find all posts View Profile Close HardGainer]

I'm 6' 00'', 24 years old, 13% bodyfat, 200 lbs. I eat an average of 4000 calories a day. I try to eat as clean as possible because despite my seeming inability to put on muscle and strength I can put on massive amounts of fat very quickly cause I love carbohydrates and red meat. I kept track of my food intake for a long time to make sure I was taking in a sufficient amount of calories and I always averaged from 3,500 to 4,500 calories. Not only am I eating 4000 calories a day I started injecting B12 to increase my appetite even further. While my diet/nutrition is not perfect I am positive I am eating enough because I am equally passionate about learning about nutrition and the bodies physiology as I am passionate about my training. In regards to my training I am an exercise science major and exercise addict I make it my business to know what the right things to do are including form, rest times between sets, rest days, progressive overload, and reaching hypertrophy, etc. During this cycle I designed a periodization lifting regimen where for 10 weeks I lifted with lighter weight higher volume to achieve hypertrophy and now for the past 5 or 6 weeks I have been strength training, I increased the rest periods between sets to 2 minutes decreased the amount of reps and increased the weight. While I do not deny my training and nutrition is not perfect I have had enough experienced lifters and juice heads scrutinize what I'm doing and the only thing they can say after seeing that I am in fact eating a sufficient amount and training hard while taking adequate rest days, is that I seem to be an anomaly. Also yes I am currently at week 15 or 16 I actually don't know, I know this is already considered a long cycle but since the first 8 or 9 weeks accomplished nothing I am going to continue until I haves something substantial to show for. I am taking every precaution necessary with HCG, Aromasin (50 milligrams is because I'm gyno prone especially at this dose of testosterone) Pramipexole, Hawthorne Berries, Red Yeast Rice and Milk Thistle. In regards to my gear brands I was originally using Endurexx, while I am sure this was most likely underdosed I also think it worked to some extent because my libido went up. But after four vials of disappointing results I switched to Geneza from Naps for my test and tren, so I am confident my gear is legit. I also am quite sure it's legit because I could have sex 24/7 literally non stop, I feel like an animal. Lastly, in terms of side effects to answer the last of the questions I was asked...I have some pretty intense blood pressure headaches, back pumps, tren dick (I increased the pramipexole (a dopamine agonist) which helped make the tren dick go away), not really any acne though, I also feel like God and like every girl wants me (another reason Im sure its legit gear I'm not typically cocky).

[HardGainer Member Find all posts View Profile Close HardGainer]

I do want to say at this point I have gained weight recently I went from 183 to 200 lbs which is a substantial gain in mass in such a short period of time, this is after my increased doses. So I am now having success at these doses and am managing the side effects with other medications to balance out. I would also like to say though that I knew I was going to get every single question I got because I have researched tirelessly asked myself the same questions about what I could be doing wrong but the only conclusion I can now come to is that my genetics are absolutely horrible. This has been a process of trial and error and I have corrected what I have found I am not doing to the best of my ability. However at this point I've come to believe that people really are just different and its possible I have a lightspeed metabolism for drugs so I need to take more to get the same effects.

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

steroids affect you at a hormonal level... metabolism has nothing to do with it...your genetics shouldn't matter that much either at your level especially once you inject yourself that much gear... I'll still stick to the diet... in my opinion that's where the problem is...what's in your 4000 calories?