28 day clen cycle with ketotifen to lost a few % of BF before bulk cycle????

[ringpop1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ringpop1]

Guys, I am thinking about doing a 28 day cycle of clen shown below with ketotifen thrown in after the first few weeks.
Day 1 60MG
Day 2 60MG
Day 3 60MG
Day 4 80MG
Day 5 80MG
Day 6 80MG
Day 7 100mg
Day 8 100mg
day 9 100mg
Day 10 120MG
Day 11 120MG
Day 12 120MG
Day 13 140MG
day 14 140MG
Day 15 140mg
Day 16 160MG
Day 17 160mg
Day 18 160MG
Day 19 120MG
Day 20 120MG
Day 21 120MG
Day 22 80MG
Day 23 80MG
Day 24 80MG
Day 25 40MG

Not sure if I need to go down towards the end or if 160 is a little high. I have seen people say that they have gone over 200mcg and that seems high to me.

Anyways, right now I am 5'8" 190lbs with 17% BF. I would like to focus on diet and cardio while on clen and get down below 12% before a bulk cycle from Naps.

Give me some opinions and suggestions on if that cycle makes sense with 1mg of Keto after the 2nd week to finish and also how long do I need to wait to start a bulk cycle when I get done with this? Can you run clen cycle, test cycle, clen cycle?? I have never done any of this before and would I am very open to all advise

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Definitely if this is your first time DO NOT go over 120mcg per day. Instead of Keto you should use Benadryl it's a lot cheaper and you can get it at any pharmacy.
An alternative to ketotifen may be diphenhydramine, commonly referred to as Benedryl. Benadryl is a cationic ampiphylic drug, with this fact being significant because cationic ampiphylic drugs have the ability to inhibit phospholipase A2 and therefore upgrade beta-2 receptors (8). The inhibition of the enzyme phospholipase A2 is key due to it being responsible for methylated phospholipids. It is thought that by reducing and/or ending this action this allows the phospholipid membrane to remain relatively intact and the beta-adrenoreceptors will be able to remain functioning at their full capacity, or near to it, for much longer. For most, an effective dose would be 50-100mgs per day for seven days every three weeks while running clenbuterol. Users would be well served to take this dosage just prior to going to sleep as it will likely cause drowsiness.

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I bought the keto from naps already. Got the 30 pack of 1mg each for $30. I read that i should take one of those daily at start of week 3 until the end of cycle. Is that not right? If i read what your saying right, your saying take it for 7 days during week 3 and i do not need to do it during week 4?

Also, how long do i need to wait to start bulking after clen? So should i do the same cycle and just stay at 120 most of it and then taper down?

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

taper up + taper down.

You start on 20-40mcg for a couple of days, then you raise to 40-80mcg for a couple more days… at this point you should “feel” the clenbuterol working. If your hands are shaking slightly, don’t worry that should subside in a day, if it does not you are taking slightly too much and you need to reduce your dose 20-40mcg. So it’s the point where your taking just less than the amount that makes your hands tremble that you want to find and this is your MAX dose. You want to be taking enough Clenbuterol to be “feeling it” when your doing your workout, but not so much that your hands are shaking and making you feel uncomfortable.

I would do the Clen for 3wks then come off see how u like that it, then go back on after being off 3-4wks
I just finished a Clen/T3/Keto 9 wk cycle and thats what I would suggest.

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How long after clen can i do bulk cycle?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

I bought the keto from naps already. Got the 30 pack of 1mg each for $30. I read that i should take one of those daily at start of week 3 until the end of cycle. Is that not right? If i read what your saying right, your saying take it for 7 days during week 3 and i do not need to do it during week 4?

Also, how long do i need to wait to start bulking after clen? So should i do the same cycle and just stay at 120 most of it and then taper down?

No this is the way you would take the Benadryl.

Doses of two to ten milligrams of ketotifen have been used by users of clenbuterol, but most would be well served to start at lower doses. It is unlikely that many will need doses higher then 5 milligrams per day. Taking ketotifen for seven days every two to three weeks should be enough to maintain well functioning beta-2 receptors and ensure that the clenbuterol maintains its effectiveness.

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Thank you. I am going to use the Keto first because it is something that I already paid for but if I do another cycle it would make more sense to do it with benadryl since I can get that anywhere and do not need to pay a premium for it.

How long after clen can i do bulk cycle? Does anyone know the answer to this or should I not be looking into bulk cycle after clen?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

You can do your bulk at any time, when ever your ready.

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

take one of those 1mg keto's to start with - B4 bed, I took two (as directed) + I was knocked out for like 12 hrs + groggy for 24.

they r "F" awesome for sleep issues.

Then again I can drink an espresso take some clen + take a nap?