First steroid cycle

[grayyarg1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close grayyarg1]

Hello, First I will give a little info I am 29 and 3/4 years old 6 ft 200lbs
I have been lifting steadily since 20 years I usually lift around 9 months then during fall hunting seasons take 3 months of. When I first started lifting I was 160 lbs so over the years have added 40 lbs.
Now to the ? I am wanting to do my first cycle of steroids. i have researched a good deal but still unsure what to use.
Is dbol only cycle with noveldex pct good enough for first time user?
dbol Say 30mg ed 6-8 weeks
noveldex20mg ed 3-4 weeks

I am really wanting to stay away from pinnig for now.
I know it is very controversial using oral only. But is it feasable to have good gains and keep them from dbol?

[Big L Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Big L]

You dont keep anything from dbol
And keep eating lots of venison

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

You can do Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate at 500mg's weekly, if you want, you can add the D-Bol for 4-6 weeks. You shouldn't do D-Bol more than 6 weeks, it's very hard on the liver. This is the most common first cycle.

[grayyarg1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close grayyarg1]

So why do a lot of people especialy beginners use dbol. I have read you can keep 75 % of gains off it. Is this not true?

And with that test e would i do 250 mg 2timesweek and how many weeks. Will a first time user see gains with test alone? Can you keep the gains?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Most of what you get form D-Bol is water weight, I like that because I'm older and it helps with the old bones. 75% imo I really don't think so even with a good PCT.
Yes Test E you would do 250mg twice a week like on Monday and Thursday, for at the lest 10 weeks. As for test alone, yes you'll see some good gains, just depends on how you eat. Eat like an animal look like animal, eat like a bird look like a bird!!!!

[grayyarg1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close grayyarg1]

Most of what you get form D-Bol is water weight, I like that because I'm older and it helps with the old bones. 75% imo I really don't think so even with a good PCT.
Yes Test E you would do 250mg twice a week like on Monday and Thursday, for at the lest 10 weeks. As for test alone, yes you'll see some good gains, just depends on how you eat. Eat like an animal look like animal, eat like a bird look like a bird!!!!

Ok would I need to start arimedex with the test or wiat for signs of gyno? And is novildex diet and training sufficient for pct.

[grayyarg1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close grayyarg1]

Oh and thanks for the replies btw.

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

Dbol works great wTest, not so much on it's own.

Dbol - Methandrostenolone does not react strongly with the androgen receptor but still exerts its effects through the androgen receptor in vivo.[3] These include dramatic increases in protein synthesis, glycogenolysis, and muscle strength over a short space of time. In high doses (30 mg or more per day), side effects such as gynecomastia, high blood pressure, acne and male pattern baldness may begin to occur. The drug causes severe masculinising effects in women even at low doses. In addition, it is metabolized into methylestradiol by aromatase. This means that without the administration of aromatase inhibitors such as anastrozole or aminoglutethimide, estrogenic effects will appear over time in men. Many users will combat the estrogenic side effects with Arimidex, Nolvadex or Clomid. In addition, as with other 17α-alkylated steroids, the use of methandrostenolone over extended periods of time can result in liver damage without appropriate care.

The androgen receptor (AR), also known as NR3C4 (nuclear receptor subfamily 3, group C, member 4), is a type of nuclear receptor[6] that is activated by binding of either of the androgenic hormones testosterone or dihydrotestosterone [7] in the cytoplasm and then translocating into the nucleus. The androgen receptor is most closely related to the progesterone receptor, and progestins in higher dosages can block the androgen receptor.[8][9]

Test is both Androgenic + Anabolic. - test is rated at 100/100 as a baseline, since it is the basis of male steroid use. All other steroids are compared to test

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

I only use an anti-estrogen when I feel the need, I'm not prone to gyno or sore nipps. For the most part the guys here would say, yeah start the adex the same day you do your first pin and through the whole cycle. So I think that would be best for ya. As for the PCT, I'm not real good with them. I use my HRT when I'm done with a cycle. You'll have to have one of the other guys here help with thats.

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

ALWAYS start your AI's with your first pin. Some might argue that you dont need to take them till you see signs of gyno but, isnt that defeating the entire purpose of taking an AI? Why not just take it with the first pin and avoid gyno and its signs all together

As for PCT, use nolva for 4 weeks at 40/20/20/10 or 40/30/20/10 daily dosages. I like to throw a natty test booster in there too, just to get your body producing from another angle

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Alex I agree with you, but for me I'm just coming off a 20 week cycle using 950mg of Test and only used an AI for one week during the whole cycle. Thats just me though.

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

Alex I agree with you, but for me I'm just coming off a 20 week cycle using 950mg of Test and only used an AI for one week during the whole cycle. Thats just me though.

Its like we always say mrbig, everyone is different. Thing is, you know your body and what you can do and cant do while this guy is on his first cycle. Im not doubting you cause you deffinately know your shit man, i just wouldnt suggest someone to not run an AI from the beginning on their FIRST cycle. Dont take any of that the wrong way mrbig, i have big respect for you man

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Its like we always say mrbig, everyone is different. Thing is, you know your body and what you can do and cant do while this guy is on his first cycle. Im not doubting you cause you deffinately know your shit man, i just wouldnt suggest someone to not run an AI from the beginning on their FIRST cycle. Dont take any of that the wrong way mrbig, i have big respect for you man

Take it the wrong way....not at all brother, I have mad respect for you also, and yes fisrt timers (until they get to know how they react) definitly need to start Adex from the begaining and run all the way through.

I don't know, I think that I'm lucky that way, my son just looks at D-Bol and gets gyno, I feel bad for him.

[riderbimmer Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close riderbimmer]

Hi I am new to this site and to juice (except I tried sust a few years ago on its own for about 3 weeks) -- not a real cycle.

So based on this thread what I need is D-Bol, Test, and Adex all at the same time? What is the cycle schedule for this? Can I get all this stuff at one of the sponsors?

[Nature101 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nature101]

Rider- you have good questions. Do us all a favor and start a thread of your own instead of stealing this guys to get your answers. Also, swing by the "Introductions" sub forus and introduce yourself.