all 17-alpha orals created equal?

[Nycjuice Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nycjuice]

Do all 17-alpha orals do the same amount of liver damage per mg?

In the past i've run 150mg of drol

thinking about running
100mg drol 50 dbol (may get serious gyno)
or
100mg drol 50mg tbol (gains ill keep (love tbol) )
or
100mg drol 50mg winny (to keep me lean)

will these do more less or the same amount of liver damage?
in other words does 1mg of drol do >< or = amount of liver damge than other 17-alpha orals

within reason does 17-alpha do the same amount of damage per mg no matter what its attached to?

[Nycjuice Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Nycjuice]

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[bishop22 Member Find all posts View Profile Close bishop22]

Also curious.. Im wanting to some tbol and run it into some oral winny

[EthanWS6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EthanWS6]

150mg of anadrol? Why does that even sound like a good idea? lol

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

All oral steroids have the 17 alpha alkylation, a chemical bond that must be broken before the drug becomes bioavailable.

Now, some steroids, like winstrol and d bol, have an additional bond that adds to its toxicity. Most orals have either one or two chemical bonds that need to be broken down in order to render the steroid bioavailable. Anavar is considered "mild" becaus it only has one chemical bond. Halotestin is the harshest on the liver is because halo incorporates a combination of three chemical bonds that are all toxic features which makes halo the most toxic oral out there.

Your liver has its own anti-oxidants, and chemistries, used to break down toxins and continue them on their way out of the body. Now, when a person takes anavar, those chemistries are occupied by that drug. If a large enough percentage of those chemistries are used up, the liver becomes less able to detoxify other, everyday compounds, most of which are found in our diet. So while the anavar itself may not directly harm the liver, it can cause the liver to be more vulnerable to harm from other substances. I think of it as the drugs keeps your liver too busy to do what its naturally there to do, this is not a good thing at all. This is why it is absolutely imparative not to drink or do rec drugs AT ALL while using 17-alpha drugs.

How much is too much? Well, that is an individual thing. Just because 25mg of a drug doesn't seem to cause harm to most people doesn't mean that 40mg is just as harmless. 80mg would certainly be much more stressful than 40mg. This goes for any 17-alpha drug.

Anavar is medically dosed at 5mg a day, but no one in our world takes only 5mg a day. Some bodybuilders use 50-100mg of this drug a day. Thats 10-20 times the medically accepted amount!! We need to remember, these drugs are not safe at the amounts we use them in.

Remember, excess toxin excretion also stresses the kidneys. These drugs are poisonous in the doses we use them, believe it. Take precautions and live clean while cycling, and while not. You can research all you want, but without bloodtests, you are only guessing, and without liver protectors that work, it is only a matter of time.

All in all, the degree of toxicity is highly individual from drug to drug and person to person.