3rd cycle help!

[xela1988 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close xela1988]

ok guys. its time to start planning my next cycle. the only thing im really solid on is that its going to be test cyp at 750mg/week for 10 weeks and with that much test, i'll prob run adex at either 1 mg e3d or .5mg eod or should i go with another AI like aromasin or letro? i want to know what everyone thinks i should run for a kickstart and possibly a hardener at the end. i am currently on my 3rd week of 50mg tbol/day and 600mg test cyp/week and i am loving the combo. starting winny at 50mg/day on week 7. i was thinking maybe some drol on the next cycle instead of the tbol.

CYCLE HISTORY
1st cycle - 10 weeks of 500mg test c/week
2nd cycle - currently on 12 weeks 600mg test cyp wks 1-4 50mg tbol/day wks 7-12 50mg winny/day

STATS(current)
24 yo.
6'2"
261lbs
18.3%bf

i need suggestions for a kickstart and a hardener. kickstart must be oral and either for the hardner will do although i know some orals are not meant to be run together so maybe the injectable winny or something along those lines. anything else that i could throw into the mix (little bit of deca maybe)? i dont want anything that will bloat me up too much so im not a fan of d bol so dont even suggest it. i am hoping to gain as much mass as possible on this cycle then lean up and make the gains pop. please include dosages with your suggestions. thanks in advance guys.

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

xela, why do u keep increasing ur Test dose u shld not need to so early + often (especially w adding compounds)?
(my 1st 3 cycles were 500mg)

I have done as much as 1 gram of Test per week + honestly I feel that their r no significant benefits vs 500-750mg wk - just more sides.

[xela1988 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close xela1988]

i just figured more test = bigger gains?

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

AAS like alcohol if u want to get buzzed + can do it w 2 beers then great but if u build up ur tolerance too fast u will need more to get buzzed.

if u r doing well on ur current cycle I would not go any higher (600mgTest) until u feel ur not getting the same benefits.
what u will do is put yourself in a position where u need 750mg - 1g to get the same benefits that u would have from 500mg which increases ur cost + poss sides.

3rd Cylce option could be;
10wks - 600mg Test C
8 wks - Dec 300-400mg
keep w Tbol or go drol for the kickstart
for a finisher???maby Inj Winny or injVar or Clen

slow and steady wins the race.

[xela1988 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close xela1988]

ok well instead of higher test, what could i add to gain more mass? im assuming the deca would take care of that. maybe add .5-1ml to each shot of test?

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how far along are u , what week? u can add npp if ur a few weeks in at like 500 ew .. shorter ester of deca

[xela1988 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close xela1988]

im on week 3 of my current cycle but im looking for help on my next cycle which im not going to be starting until this october.

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k its too short a cycle for too orals so choose one or the other.. unless u want to run like a test/eq cycle for 16-20 wks then u can have both along with eq a good mass agent that holds slow/steady gains that stay with u.. or as i said b4 u can run a test/npp cycle with whatever oral u want to kickstart or finish u off.. due to the npps short ester it starts working quickly so the kickstart would be combined with that obviously.. u can run it with prop if u like or a longer ester up to u. and ya adex eod sds good

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i wouldnt have time to do a 16 week cycle much less a 20. problem is, im trying to do a show in june 2013 and i can only squeeze 2 more cycles in there spaced out evenly to allow my body to recover properly with the last one being a cutter. 10 weeks is going to be the max so i want to put on as much as possible before i go into prep. hopefully once my current cycle is over, the winny has gotten the bf down a little. i guess i'll just have to see how the winny treats me to see if i go back to it or not. but i do like the test/eq idea. im all about gains that stay with you. could i run test cyp/eq for 10 weeks with a hardener like winny for the last 6 weeks maybe? if so, what dosage could i use on the eq?

[Vulgarity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vulgarity]

Ideal EQ dose is 600mg/wk; however, I do not recommend running EQ for 10 weeks. It kicks in around 8 weeks for me. Ideally, you should go for 16 weeks of EQ. You don't have enough time for 16 weeks, so take out the EQ.

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You may as well go with short esters this next cycle. Man, if you go with short esters, you dont even need a kickstart oral...I would just run short esters for 8 weeks if I dont have time for a 12-16 week cycle.

[xela1988 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close xela1988]

when you say short, how short? prop or enan?

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Short Esters: Propionate and Acetate
Relatively Long Esters: Enanthate and Cypionate
Long Esters: Decanoate and Undecylenate
Decanoate is your Deca Durabolin and Undecylenate is your EQ...ten weeks on either of these two compounds are not recommended. Ten weeks for enanthate and Cypionate is okay. 8 weeks on Propionate and Acetate is perfect.

If you wanna do Deca Durabolin, get Nandrolone Phenylpropionate aka "Phenyl" It's the same as deca, just with a shorter ester. It's "deca" but with the prop ester. If you wanna do Test Cypionate, get the prop ester. If you don't wanna do Phenl, substitute it with another Nandrolone like Tren Ace. So you have your Test, your Nandrolone, and now you need a DHT. I say, Winny or Masteron Propionate. Since these esters are short, you need to do ED or EOD injections. Everyday injections will allow you to have more stable blood levels, but you'll be a pin cusion, and you need to rotate your sites. You need to hit each site "ONCE" a week. Do you want me to dose each compound for you, or are you g2g?

[xela1988 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close xela1988]

yea bro. im having trouble putting all this together for some reason. honestly im trying to stay away from eod or ed pins. thats why i was thinking cyp or enan. if i have to though, i would rather go eod than ed. my body reacts to cyp pretty good. i feel the effects of it as early as 2 weeks into a cycle. if you could, just lay out the best 10 week cycle i could use to gain mass then polish it off at the end..thanks bro.

[xela1988 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close xela1988]

how bout this:

wks 1-10: 150mg test p eod
wks 1-10: 100mg phenyl eod
wks 5-10: 50mg winny ed(orals)

?????