Steroids and Birth Control

[EthanWS6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EthanWS6]

I have a female friend who is interested in trying Anavar. She asked me if it would mess with her birth control and I had never really thought to look into that sort of thing. Do you guys know if it will cause any problems? Thanks!

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

Birth control pills are steroids as well - I'm guessing it would do something on a physiological level?

[wadeboggs Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wadeboggs]

Don't take this as a definitive source, but I think it should be fine.

Birth control works to prevent ovulation with high amounts of estrogen and progesterone. This works because estrogen and progesterone will feed back on the hypothalamus to reduce the amount of gonadotropin hormone releasing hormone that's secreted, which ultimately inhibits luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone, both of which are necessary for ovulation. They DO NOT affect androgens in females, as this under the control of corticotropin releasing hormone.

Should be okay because you're dealing with separate pathways, hope this helped!

[sagerboy87 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sagerboy87]

hey bro, i don't mean to hijack ur thread. but i have a question that kinda goes along with urs. Do chicks need pct after a cycle? i mean, like whats the worst that can happen? they get tits?

[EthanWS6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EthanWS6]

Thanks for the info guys. I didn't think that they would interfere but I wanted to come to the mecca of steroid knowledge for consultation before giving her any advice :P

Sager - You're fine haha. I really don't know anything about female cycles as far as what they take, or how much, or how their bodies react to coming off of AAS. Good question lol

[wadeboggs Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wadeboggs]

hey bro, i don't mean to hijack ur thread. but i have a question that kinda goes along with urs. Do chicks need pct after a cycle? i mean, like whats the worst that can happen? they get tits?

That is a really good question... I would say no, because they can't.

Female testosterone production will be lowered after cycle, that's just normal feedback, but their testosterone comes primarily from the adrenal glands, while for men it comes from the testes. So while we want our balls to get back to normal, females want their adrenal glands to get back to normal production. I would assume taking something like ACTH might help, but that's not readily available and cost-prohibitive for recreational use. Unfortunately there's just nothing out there for women to help them recover like there is for men (for instance hCG works to increase testosterone production because it's an analog of LH which stimulates Leydig cells to produce testosterone... in the female taking exogenous hCG would likely cause ovulation and ultimately production of progesterone).

[sagerboy87 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sagerboy87]

yea. idk y but me and my friend were talking about that last night. i was like.....dude, i have no idea. its quite intriguing though.

[wadeboggs Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wadeboggs]

Thanks for the info guys. I didn't think that they would interfere but I wanted to come to the mecca of steroid knowledge for consultation before giving her any advice :P

Sager - You're fine haha. I really don't know anything about female cycles as far as what they take, or how much, or how their bodies react to coming off of AAS. Good question lol

Just keep in mind I'm not a doctor and this isn't my field of expertise. I know about hormones, how they're regulated and can make an educated guess, but I don't have first hand experience in that regard nor have I read any studies discussing it. Be safe, tell her to do the research and check out other forums because I'm sure this isn't the first this has been asked.

[bill2011 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bill2011]

So female it miss up thier cycle.

[EthanWS6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EthanWS6]

What do you guys think would be better for her to run? She would like to build some muscle but not a whole lot, but she wants to tone up more than anything. You think Clen would be a better choice? Or maybe winny?

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

females do NOT need any kind of pct.

What do you guys think would be better for her to run? She would like to build some muscle but not a whole lot, but she wants to tone up more than anything. You think Clen would be a better choice? Or maybe winny?

first off, make sure she knows exactly what shes getting into. make her do her own research. if she is going to take AAS, no matter how mild, there is a good chance she will experience some form of androgenic side effect...even if its mild...that in many cases cant be reversed. facial hair growth is very common, even on doses of 5 mg of anavar. every girl is different though and some will be able to handle 10 or even 20mg before they begin to see additional facial hairs popping out.

if she only wants to gain a little bit of muscle, i wouldnt suggest AAS. if she does want to use, nothing more than anavar. winny can be harsh for gals. it may seem mild for us men and you may read old steroid profiles that suggest winny is a great idea for girls, but it has changed the voice of more than one girl i know. once their voice gets deep. once they grow back or facial hair. that shit stays that way. she better be committed. if not, then stay away. clen on the other hand is fine, if she wants to lose fat. hgh would be a much better choice than AAS for mild muscle growth

[sagerboy87 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sagerboy87]

we can always count on sam for some great info 8)

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

hey bro, i don't mean to hijack ur thread. but i have a question that kinda goes along with urs. Do chicks need pct after a cycle? i mean, like whats the worst that can happen? they get tits?

I believe the answer is actually No they do not need PCT (no natty test to restart) but they do need some form of stepdown/(pct) due to the psychological+physiological changes in hormone levels -causing depression + lethargy etc.

This info from a veteran Female;

ok... this subject has been up for debate for as long as i can remember... There are not many studies nor research as with aas and pct for men...

So, i figured it was about time to make a post about women's pct options to help out women when coming off a cycle and to help men help women since we are VERY different!!!

Post Cycle Therapy i am sure you have heard time and time again... For men, this usually includes an ancillary to re-stimulate natural test production etc. With women, PCT is VERY VERY different.
I know it has been the general assumption that women do not need pct, however, it has come to my attention (and from years of experience) that we actually DO in fact need PCT...

Post Cycle Therapy for women obviously does NOT include a test stimulant, but rather other factors...

Tapers: Everyone wants to know about tapering... Well, that really depends on the aas you are using... The milder the aas, the less the taper. For example, anavar does not call for a taper, however many women have seen less side effects post cycle with a little post cycle taper. This may be 1 week after you complete your cycle where you taper down. Considering the average dosage is 10mgs, a taper would be: (5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5)

In my own personal experience with anavar, a taper for me really isn't necessary... so just stopping is fine. HOWEVER, i do apply Post Cycle Therapy!

I feel PCT should be considered due to these reasons:

Depression: MANY women report depression post cycle. I personally got it really really badly last nov, so now the last week of my cycle, i start cycling in 5HTP. You can also use St. Johns wart or valerian root etc...
Estrogen Rebound: Granted anavar is a mild androgenic, it is still an androgen. Some women experience a slight estrogen rebound. I personally have ALSO experienced this...
One of the ways i counteract it is to take "Twinlabs Male Fuel". This actually aids allowing my test levels to lower but not drop, thus preventing an estrogen rebound. When a hormone drops suddenly another one always tends to increase to counteract, even though it may not be beneficial to us...
Another way is to use a very very mild dosage of an estrogen suppressor (ie. nolvadex) to allow the estrogen to slowly level out as the test levels fall post cycle. (As our test levels begin to return to normal and decrease, estrogen will increase post cycle, due to the fact that an aas does suppress estrogen levels a bit, so a suppressor will control the speed at which it increases- thus preventing a possible estrogen rebound!)
Appetite: Most AAS tend to increase your appetite. This has a bit to do with an accelerated metabolism (increased muscle and protein synthesis), nevertheless, aas can increase appetite. With that said, I think a strict diet should follow your cycle.
My reasoning for this is that fact that since you have an increased appetite from using an aas, now that that is over, you will continue to experience an increased appetite, but with no aas anymore. Basically saying that now that you are OFF, you will not be using all the calories/fuel as efficiently as when you were ON. So if you splurge like crazy, you WILL notice a rebound in weight and or fat. Get it
I HIGHLY recommend a clean diet for about 2 weeks POST cycle!!

Those are the 3 main factors i can think of that may cause havoc with a woman's mental and physical well being post cycle... They are ALL factors i have personally dealt with, struggled with and learned to control!

As a female who is using aas, PLEASE know ALL the facts!!! Be over-prepared! There is nothing worse then a women who loves her results from weeks of suffering, training, dieting, etc... only to waste all her hard work and experience negative side effects post cycle... Estrogen rebound is a bitch. Weight/fat rebound is a bitch. Depression, we won't even go there lol...

So please ladies... LISTEN to your body. Get to really know what works for YOUR body! You may never need post cycle therapy, but you may... so good luck!!!

Stay Strong in the Iron Sisterhood!!

[sagerboy87 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sagerboy87]

very informative. Thanks bro. New knowledge is always a good thing 8)

[EthanWS6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EthanWS6]

Sam - Thanks for the advice brother! I'll def let her know. So you think as far as losing some fat goes she would be good to go with Clen? Are there any real side effects with that? Thanks!