1st time Tren

[bugse2342 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bugse2342]

What would you start for Tren first use?

[two_slug Member Find all posts View Profile Close two_slug]

You can start out with 50mg ed or 100mg eod.

I prefer doing ed injections because acetate is such a short ester, but many ppl do eod pins with no problems.

I'd get some more acetate and save the enth for another cycle.

Jmo.

[Liquid Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Liquid]

I agree. I would not mix the A with E. Start with 50mg ED or 100mg EOD.

[mbig245 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mbig245]

Planning on running tren for first time. So this is what I have. 10ml acetate and 30ml ethanate. thought I would run the acetate first to see what reactions(sides) I would have if any. If all's good I will jump into the ethanate.

I am trying to figure out how I should run for doses and how I should do the transition between acetate and ethanate. Any opinions would help.

Two_slug said it right...
You can run it either way, You can start the injections at the same time with Tren a. and Tren E. Use the Tren A. for a kick start in a sense. Just make sure your ready for this compound. I ran it several times and decided I need a loooonnnggg break from it! It's super strong and super toxic...

[bugse2342 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bugse2342]

Two_slug said it right...
You can run it either way, You can start the injections at the same time with Tren a. and Tren E. Use the Tren A. for a kick start in a sense. Just make sure your ready for this compound. I ran it several times and decided I need a loooonnnggg break from it! It's super strong and super toxic...

I've been holding out on running this cycle for a year now. I am dying to see the results. Super strong and toxic sounds right up my alley.

[mbig245 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mbig245]

I've been holding out on running this cycle for a year now. I am dying to see the results. Super strong and toxic sounds right up my alley.

What else will you be running with tren? Test I presume????Although this steroid can't convert to estrogen, some users do experience problems with progesterone related side effects, similar to those seen with products such as Deca Durabolin . Users sensitive to these issues may prefer to add Cabaser to their cycles. Just a thought...

[ment to juice Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ment to juice]

Tren e is Awsome all around good compound but the sides are horrible it def potent as hell mixed wit test and deca it is a hell of a cocktail but u end up with really solid gains and ull be strong as an ox

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

Found this on another site thought it a good read;

TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth.

We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.

Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.

Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.

Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html

Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.

I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."

Tren once more is a myth a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.

Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Right now I'm doing 400mg of test prop and 400mg of tren E weekly, so I'm going to drop the tren to 200mg weekly. The thing is the only side I have is my stomach is always bloated, a lot of acid I had to start takin 2 prevacids per day. Well I'll drop it down and see if that helps.

[bugse2342 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bugse2342]

ODB, awesome read, I am firm believer that if you abuse it you lose it.

[Optimal Cruz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Optimal Cruz]

Im looking at tren e for my next cycle,

750mg Test
200mg Tren
Dbol Kickstarter

Wonder how my body will react

[bugse2342 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bugse2342]

Like the cycle, similar to what Im thinking of. What kind of Test are you with?

Im looking at tren e for my next cycle,

750mg Test
200mg Tren
Dbol Kickstarter

Wonder how my body will react

[Optimal Cruz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Optimal Cruz]

Sam has convinced me that Geneza is the one! So im going with that along with their orals

[PushinWeight Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PushinWeight]

my last tren run was 450 prop and 300 tren a, honestly i got most of the sides but wasnt very happy with the results. itll prob be quite some time before i run tren again. i might even stick to test only cycles for a while, i LOOOOOVE test only cycles at a decent dose, 750-1 gram/wk

[hackleech Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hackleech]

how to run it? i'd run that tren straight to the garbage haha i'm scared of that shit