2nd CYCLE TEST PROP, TEST E, EQ --

[mcmutd85 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcmutd85]

Im looking at running my second cycle. my first cycle was test cyp at 500 mg, deca 250, for 10 weeks with dbol for first 4 weeks at 50mg.'
STATS
6'5'' 245 lbs. approx 13% bf lifting consistently for 5 years 24 years old

for my second cycle im looking at
weeks 1-3
test prop at 100 mg EOD
weeks 1-10
EQ - 250mg
Weeks 1-12
test E - 500 mg week

i plan on using clen at the end of the cycle to control the cortizol levels and not eat up my gains i just got. i will use a maintenance of 20mg day of nolv to keep estrogen sides and bloat down.

nolv and clomid weeks 15,16,17

HCG use weeks 2-13 at approx 300iu - every 4th day.

what i have on hand to use.
3 bottles test prop 100mg/ml - 10 ml vial
3 bottles test 3 250mg/ml - 10 ml vial
1 bottle of eq 250 - 10ml vial
plenty of nolv and clomid.
5000 iu HCD
some t3
winny oral


listen people, im not a body builder i know that. im not doing competitions, im looking to bulk and be a fucking beast and keep the gains i get. i understand i wont keep 100% but the more the better right.

any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
would you increase the test amount/ eq amount? give me your thoughts

[mcmutd85 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcmutd85]

bump......... come on people

[DJUICED Member Find all posts View Profile Close DJUICED]

EQ isnt effective at that dose in my experience. i would bump to minimum 400 a week. If you have it around 600mg/wk is a great dosage for EQ. I've done two 10 week cycles one at 400 and one at 600 noticed a HUGE difference. so maybe bump to 400 your first go around? and that's alot of test in the beggining with the Test E and Prop that should put you around 800-900mg of test a week. im only speaking for myself but if you said it's just your 2nd cycle i would tone it down a bit on the test unless you ran that much before and had no problems.

[iamready Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close iamready]

Eq is too low. I see no problem kickstarting with prop.

[mcmutd85 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcmutd85]

any thoughts on using prop at the end for the last three weeks . for example. stop test e at end of week 7 and run test prop for 3 weeks to make pct easier?
and any thoughts on the use of clen?


how about making an 8 week cycle and upping dosages?

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

prop kick start is a nice touch. will be fine.

agree with these guys, EQ is way too low and it takes super long to kick in...like 6 wks, so 10 wks in far less than ideal. in fact, i beleive at that dose, you will reap no additional benefit than having run this cycle without it at all. i wouldnt suggest anyone uses EQ for less than 16 wks and i would use 600mg. i'm sure you had some decent effect from deca at 250mg EW. this is a completely different animal. very mild. i understand you're new to AAS and i dont advocate people using crazy doses, but at the very least, you should at least up it to 400mg. if you dont like the idea of running a longer cycle, i would suggest using something other than EQ.

prop at the end is fine. i wouldnt cut your test e short though. after your last test e injection, lets say in wk 16, it is going to take a couple wks for the long eaters to clear. what i would do is hop back on the prop while you wait to begin PCT.

any thoughts on using prop at the end for the last three weeks . for example. stop test e at end of week 7 and run test prop for 3 weeks to make pct easier?
and any thoughts on the use of clen?


how about making an 8 week cycle and upping dosages?

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

...also, i wouldnt use the clen unless you goal is to diet down. why burn up calories that could build muscle? if you feel you need to work on keeping your fat level under control, turn to your diet cuz thats where your answer will be

[iamready Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close iamready]

I just ran sust for 11 weeks with a 4 week dbol kick start and I'm currently running prop up until pct. I'm really only running prop because I didnt like the idea of waiting 3 weeks before starting pct just in case the sust doesn't have in it what it should and it clears my system early.

[mcmutd85 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcmutd85]

i agree with the idea of burning calories with clen, but i would use it to block high cortizole levels. thoughts?

and im thinking of going 8 week cycle at

week Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday
1 500 test E, 200 eq, 100 test P 100 test p 500 test E, 200 eq, 100 test P
2 100 test p 500 test E, 200 eq, 100 test P 100 test p 250 test E, 200 eq, 100 test P
3 100 test p 250 test E, 200 eq, 100 test P 100 test p
4 250 test E, 200 eq 250 test E, 200 eq
5 250 test E, 200 eq 250 test E, 200 eq
6 250 test E, 200 eq 250 test E, 200 eq
7 250 test E, 200 eq
8 250 test E, 200 eq

so EQ would be about 400mg wk, and front loading test E and kick starting with test P.

give it to me......

[mcmutd85 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcmutd85]

sorry. test prop EOD and TEST E and EQ is every 4 days

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

i find that the main thing front loading test does is up the side effects. usually people frint load test when they dont have a kick start. since you are using prop, you should be fine to just start out at your regular weekly cycle dose. i wont keep beating a dead horse but EQ takes 6 or so wks to really take effect, and thats when you are running a high dose. you will get no additional benefit from running EQ in this cycle if you are going to do it for 8 wks.

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

oh and cortisol...no need to worry about that. part of what AAS does is supress cortisol. its when you come off cycle that you would want to be concerned. if you want to, you can use clen post cycle at a LOW dose like 20-40mcg. no need to cycle it. just go several wks straight