Test E/EQ/Dbol Cycle Log

[Vulgarity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vulgarity]

Hehe...here's goes:

First off, I know dbol is mostly used for kickstarts; however, there will be a point in time during my Test E/EQ cycle that my gains will SLOW down. I want to SPIKE my gains; therefore, dbol is being introduced at the END of my cycle for 28 days doing 30mg/day with liver support. DBOL will be used all the way up my PCT. (there will be a total of three weeks where I'm not doing any INJECTIONS to get them to clear) KEEP THAT IN MIND... PCT will consist of HCG, Nolva, Clomid, and Anastrozole. On another note, people that used dbol as a kickstart in their cycle also use DBOL as a bridge LATER in their cycle...remember that. Now, my next cycle will be in October. I will do Dbol as a kickstart then. I'm doing DBOL, Test E, and Deca....12 week cycle...

P.S. I'm not sure how I'm going to run the HCG. Either during the weeks where I'm not taking any injectables or during PCT. I don't know yet...

[Vulgarity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vulgarity]

Does anybody see anything wrong with that logic??? I mean, please do let me know if you do...

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And not to mention...there's been so many CONTRADICTING things about HCG. Some say run in during a cycle...others say run in at the end...others say run in when your balls get little...others say run it during PCT...I mean...so many different opinions/talk about it. I got my PCT outline from Naps's site under "PCT Stack" so if you are going to get at somebody...GET AT THEM!

~Vul

[Vulgarity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vulgarity]

You have to realize that DBOL CAN BE USED ANYTIME during a cycle. You have to realize people use DBOL as a kickstart because THEY ARE IMPATIENT and DON'T WANT TO WAIT until THE LONG ESTERS TO KICK IN....You have to realize that by adding a new compound like DBOL will PROMOTE NEW MUSCLE/WEIGHT/STRENGTH/SIZE GAINS...YOU ALL MUST UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE YOU COME AT ME WITH BS...and that's MHO!

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You have to realize that DBOL CAN BE USED ANYTIME during a cycle. You have to realize people use DBOL as a kickstart because THEY ARE IMPATIENT and DON'T WANT TO WAIT until THE LONG ESTERS TO KICK IN....You have to realize that by adding a new compound like DBOL will PROMOTE NEW MUSCLE/WEIGHT/STRENGTH/SIZE GAINS...YOU ALL MUST UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE YOU COME AT ME WITH BS...and that's MHO!

But when you speak of gear and how to go about using gear its not a matter of OPINION. Nobody is coming at you with bs. We dont flame at this board.

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You know...I'm sorry guys. I mean, it's just that this isn't a cycle advice thread...it's my personal blog, but I overreacted...I apologize...I'm on steroids...hehe

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Hey, I found something regarding HCG and PCT....I'm going to copy/paste it on this thread...This isn't from me...this is from soneone else...

"Everything Im writing here is based on my personal opinion from info Ive read and from personal trial and error.
Ive done many cycles that did not include HCG in my early days, hell I didn't even know what PCT was. This was WAY before the internet so all my info was from freinds and the few books that were around.
I've done cycles that ended with just using HCG the 2wks after my last testE shot and saw results from that(1,000ius 2xwk/ 2wks). IMO never go over 2,000ius per week.
But in 2005 I started using small amounts of HCG throughout the cycle with much better results. The theory behind this is to give constant stimulation throughout the cycle and not let your own test production stop, or at least minimize it. Ive also noticed my sex drive stayed constant while on HCG even when using Tren or Npp/Deca and doing very long cycles. This is without a doubt the best way to run it and IMO leads to better overall gains, reason is not only are you using artificial Test/AAS but you are still producing your own, to me this makes since.
There are 3 ways to use this method. note: always use the LEAST amount that you can get results from.

1) 100ius ED starting after wk1 and continued through cycle and for 4-18days after last AAS shot depending on the ester length (prop 3days - testE 14days - test Cyp 18days). Always make the last HCG shot on day ester clears.

2) 250-300ius EOD or 2xwk and (same as above)

3) 500ius E5D starting after wk1 and (same as above)

Ive done all and really can't say one is better, with #2-3 you won't go through as many needles but all have worked well for me.

PCT ( post cycle therapy )

Key word here is POST, meaning after the cycle is over and that means after all AAS esters have cleared your system not after your final shot.
HCG IS NOT FOR PCT IT IS FOR PRE-PCT, the time during your cycle and after last shot of AAS while esters are clearing. PCT starts on DAY4 after your last HCG shot. The reason for this is when you inject HCG you will get a spike several hours after shot and then again 48-72 hours later, after this final spike is when you want to start your PCT. Again HCG is not used for PCT.

Most my PCTs have looked like this. Starting on day4 after last HCG shot. Start your clomid and nolva on the same day but always run your nolva at least a 1-2 wks longer
3-4wks of clomid @ 50mg ed (in my early days Ive used higher amounts but feel its not needed)
5-6wks of nolva @ 40mg ed 2wks and 20mg ed for remainder
IMO a PCT should last at least 4-6wks+
Also there seems to be great alternative to clomid/nolva these days, some are available here on OLM.

Here's another PCT that a member here uses with good success.

Now there's a couple different protocols in running toremifene. I like to run mine a little longer than some as I believe it is beneficial, also because of toremifene's safety profile. Also it has been determined that 120mg torem is roughly equivelent to 40mg nolvadex. Here's how I'm running mine.

week 1: 120mg
week 2: 120mg
week 3: 90mg
week 4: 90mg
week 5: 60mg
week 6: 60mg
week 7: 60mg

Hope this helps.

Nixon[/quote]


Other info you will need.
Always use Bac water to mix your HCG, it will last up to 60 days in the fridge when BW is used. I never read any reason to store HCG p0wder in fridge. A cool dark place is fine.
With smaller amps/vials of under 5000ius ie 1500iu amps the water that comes with it is fine(up to 30days)
Always use an insulin needle for injecting, size of slinpin does not matter but I use 29/30g 1cc.


MIXING
Use the bacwater, draw out 1cc BW(use a 1cc slinpin #10-100) and slowly add to p0wder and gently swirl till mixed. Then draw out mixture(if in an amp. If already in a vial just refrigerate) with 1.5" needle and inject into vial or leave in syringe and refrigerate. If you add 1cc to 5000ius then every 10mark on your 1cc slinpin will be 500ius of HCG (use E5D) if you want to use 250ius EOD then mix 2cc's BW into p0wder and then every 10mark will have 250ius..........11
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Now like I said this is my personal opinion on HCG.
Can you get by without HCG, sure.
Can you get by without PCT, sure
Can you build muscle without AAS, yes.
But if your going to spent your hard earned $$ on AAS, food and training then at least spend a little extra on trying to keep as much of those gains as possible and make recovery as easy as possible................11

This is where I originally got my HCG info from. He was member of a board I used to frequent and a TRT doctor

My PCT Protocol
Since I've been hanging out here a bit lately, I've been getting quite a few emails from guys wanting individualized advice on their cycles. In the first place, I cannot design cycles, nor do I prescribe steroids (just ancillary medications). That would be a violation of my Oath as a physician, and DEA law to boot. Also, obviously I cannot afford to give away free Consultations. So, I'll post my PCT Protocols here, for anyone who may choose to use them.

Also, I'm just running to catch a plane for Las Vegas, attending the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference. I guess they are supposed to publish an article I wrote on how to administer TRT for men. Wish me luck!

Here it is:

I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols."

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Week 4

05/06/11
I worked out biceps. I did standing BB Curls, seated EZ Bar Curls, Hammer Curls, and reverse curls. I did 3 sets of 10. I also did a 35 pound plate on each side of the BB and did 10 INTENSE GOOD FORM REPs...it was REALLY HARD....I'm surprised I did the full 10 reps with 115. Triceps are my strongest muscle group....my biceps stepped their game up!!! It was Cinco de Mayo, so I went to Applebees that night. I had SO MANY COMPLIMENTS. I was wearing a polo and my arms/chest were getting many looks and comments. People were like, man, you on steroids....I just smiled. I really got a big head that night....just felt really good with the positive feedback from different people.

05/07/11
I worked out triceps. I did Skull Crushers, DB Extentions, Tricep Pull Downs, and Weighted Dips. My tricep work out WENT VERY WELL. I lift very heavy! My triceps were pumped! Now, I did have a problem with my form on Skull Crushers. It was a serious problem, so I'm thinking about substituting Close Grip Bench as a replacement. It's like, I had 50 pounds on each side of the EZ bar, and the inital movement PUT WAY TOO MUCH STRAIN ON MY ELBOWS...to the point it was hurting. It was my last set, but I don't want to risk injury and not to mention, I'm all about perfect form, and I felt like the form was off. So yea, I'm going to swap out Skull Crushers next week.

05/07/11

I worked out Legs today. It was another great work out section. I started off doing quads. I did Leg press...3 sets of 10 and went straight to Leg Extentions and got a hell of a burn on quads...3 sets of 10 with leg extentions. After that, I did 3 sets of 10 on squats and then went over a did 3 sets of 10 on leg extentions. My hamstrings felt awesome! Then I finished my work out by doing the standing calf machine and seated calf machine...3 sets of 20 on standing...and 3 sets of 10 on seating. I had a pretty good burn but not really a pump. My quads were PUMPED THOUGH. I mean...REALLY PUMPED! I did the full 10 reps on each exercise, but the leg press. I only can do 6 on my last set with 705! So, next Saturday, I'm going to do 705 as my last set again, and hopefully get 10! As soon as I get 10, I move up ten more pounds. I do this with all my lifts. Even bench press. If I'm using dumbells, I go up by 5. I find this scheme to really help in building my body up in muscle definition, muscle endurance, and muscle strength. It works for me! It might not work for you, but it def. works for me!!!

That's it! I'm doing abdominals tomorrow, 05/08/11.

~Vul

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You have to realize that DBOL CAN BE USED ANYTIME during a cycle. You have to realize people use DBOL as a kickstart because THEY ARE IMPATIENT and DON'T WANT TO WAIT until THE LONG ESTERS TO KICK IN....You have to realize that by adding a new compound like DBOL will PROMOTE NEW MUSCLE/WEIGHT/STRENGTH/SIZE GAINS...YOU ALL MUST UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE YOU COME AT ME WITH BS...and that's MHO!

u speak like u dont need any advice and u know every thing, so dont post here asking about advice cuz ur fuckin whole cycle is totaly wrong... either u listen to advice that is given to u or get the fuck out of here...

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u speak like u dont need any advice and u know every thing, so dont post here asking about advice cuz ur fuckin whole cycle is totaly wrong... either u listen to advice that is given to u or get the fuck out of here...

people learn through trial and error of course when advice is given sometimes its right somtimes it not my point is that its his body at the end of the day when i started out i didnt know everything , still dont but over time i have accumalated a good knowledge of how to cycle on and off u never stop learning hopefully he will learn by his mistakes.

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u speak like u dont need any advice and u know every thing, so dont post here asking about advice cuz ur fuckin whole cycle is totaly wrong... either u listen to advice that is given to u or get the fuck out of here...

The hell with this...I'm out...

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The hell with this...I'm out...

Vulgarity, you got to be able to take constructive criticisim. (emphasis on "CONSTRUCTIVE" - Maged) When you put yourself out there so much you gotta expect it. This is your first cycle right? There are a lot of members here who have years and years of experience. When you ask for advice and then shoot that advice down it doesn't make any sense. You don't have to take that advice but why try to school the guys that you are trying to gain knowledge from? We are all here to learn and help eachother out, no reason to get negative or put anyone down.
Whether I or anyone else thinks your cycle or PCT is wrong really doesn't matter now - cuz' you are doing it - and I hope everything turns out the way you planned. Good luck brother.

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there is a difference between giving constructive criticism and just being a rude bastard though

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Rage i love it

[dboss10 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close dboss10]

there is a difference between giving constructive criticism and just being a rude bastard though

AMEN! And how is a junior member gonna come up in here and start flaming and attacking a member with more posts, tellin him to "get the fuck out of here???" Maged are you serious bro? Are you running tren?? Chill out dude, this aint elite fitness bro and we try not to bash each other around here like you have just done. Vulgarity, i'm sorry bro that this is happening to you. I did leave some input on your cycle that you may have not liked, but i never said anything like this. You didnt deserve this crap.