Starting cycle

[nielsson305 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close nielsson305]

I just bought a few cycles, supplements and PCT.

My starting cycle will be:
week 1; 2 tabs clen to prepair the body
week 2-12: 2x 500mg sustanon pw
week 2-8: 50 mg/day dianabol 5 times 10 mg spread over the day
week 3-12: 2x 500mg sustanon and 1x 500mg testosterone decanoate
After week 5 I replace the sustanon for testosterone decanoate and continue with long estered testosterone only
week 3 or 5; adding hcg at 500 iu e.o.d depends on my ball shrinkage + nolvadex to improve my bloodvalues.
After workouts 50mg oxymetholone and creatine in sugars.
Gh starting with 2 iu incresing to 6 iu devided in to subQ injections :after awakening and after workout
week 12-14 GH - Nolva and Clomid only then starting my bulk-cycle including lots of delicious foods

Input of expirienced users/athletes appreciated.

[RonnyT Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RonnyT]

Impressive, tabs and vials look familiar, I'm Dutch too, and know the chemist of one of the labs.
We covered both UG labs in the Anabolic Books from William L.
You write cycleS, bought more of them? Un unusual and heavy cycle by the way, I would be carefull with side-effects, but you'll know that seen the build-up of the cycle.

[methan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close methan]

GS & HCL gear is pretty g2g, i ve heard a lot of positive feedbacks regarding those labs.

[F.I.S.T. Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close F.I.S.T.]

I just bought a few cycles, supplements and PCT.

My starting cycle will be:
week 1; 2 tabs clen to prepair the body
week 2-12: 2x 500mg sustanon pw
week 2-8: 50 mg/day dianabol 5 times 10 mg spread over the day
week 3-12: 2x 500mg sustanon and 1x 500mg testosterone decanoate
After week 5 I replace the sustanon for testosterone decanoate and continue with long estered testosterone only
week 3 or 5; adding hcg at 500 iu e.o.d depends on my ball shrinkage + nolvadex to improve my bloodvalues.
After workouts 50mg oxymetholone and creatine in sugars.
Gh starting with 2 iu incresing to 6 iu devided in to subQ injections :after awakening and after workout
week 12-14 GH - Nolva and Clomid only then starting my bulk-cycle including lots of delicious foods

Input of expirienced users/athletes appreciated.

Looks like a pretty good cycle.I was wondering why you were switching from the sust to the decanoate only?

[nielsson305 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close nielsson305]

Bro I bought a complete cycle, because after the startcycle I will take a bulkcycle for 12 weeks and after that, I will take a cutcycle for also 12 weeks.

[nielsson305 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close nielsson305]

That's why I will switsching with the decanoate!!
The short esters in Sustanon function as a “front load” later when the long esters start working, I let the decanoate take over, because long esters are more effective.

Weinbauer GF, Partsch CJ, Zitzmann M, Schlatt S, Nieschlag E. Pharmacokinetics and Degree of Aromatization Rather Than Total Dose of Different Preparations Determine the Effects of Testosterone: A Nonhuman Primate Study in Macaca fascicularis. J Androl. 2003 Sep-Oct;24(5):765-774.

The researchers on this research counted in 'pure testosterone. Esters are compounds of fatty acids and in the case of testosterone estrifications thus testosterone compounds with a fatty acid. The longer fatty acid that is, the slower the ester. And the longer a fatty acid is, the heavier an ester. This makes one hundred milligrams testosterondecanoaat (longester) less than one hundred milligrams of testosterone testosterone propionate (short ester).
The calculation. The molecular weight of testosterone enanthate is 400.6. The molecular weight of testosterone was 456.7. One hundred milligrams of testosterone enanthate contains more testosterone than 1.14 so one hundred milligrams of testosterone. From this research you can draw the conclusion that one hundred milligrams of testosterone undecanoate is at least 2.5 times more effective as one hundred milligrams of testosterone enanthate.

[PushinWeight Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PushinWeight]

i dont understand what they mean by "more effective" in that study. as we all know the ester takes up alot of the space in test compounds. each ester has different amounts of raw test. based off 100 mg of each ester these are the actual amounts of raw test in each:

Test Suspension=100mg test
Test Enanthate=72mg raw test
Test Acetate=87mg
Test Propionate=83mg
Test cypionate=70mg
test undecanoate=63mg
all information courtesy Anabolics 2002 by William Llewellyn