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Does anyone here get there blood work done?

I used to get mine done before during and after a cycle. My last blood work showed that I had high kidney functions. I didn?t know that AAS caused irregular kidney functions/high kidney values.
Has anyone else here experienced abnormal kidney functions while using AAS?

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yes we all have. but my question, were you doing orals and how long were you clean after prior to blood work?

Does anyone here get there blood work done?

I used to get mine done before during and after a cycle. My last blood work showed that I had high kidney functions. I didn’t know that AAS caused irregular kidney functions/high kidney values.
Has anyone else here experienced abnormal kidney functions while using AAS?

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i just had my blood work done last month and came back to see how it looked this month. my MD understands that because i am a BBer, my kidney values are not going to look the same as a normal, sedintary individual's would. i just did a quick search on google and am copy pasting a section of a letter created for parents of highschool athletes that are afraid that high protein diets are going to kill thier children...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi80.htm

What about the increased creatinine and BUN indicated by the blood test?

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For starters, how about a quick discussion of the two markers?

Creatinine is commonly known as a waste product of muscle or protein metabolism. To this end, its level is a reflection of the body's muscle mass or the amount of protein in the diet. Low levels are sometimes seen in kidney damage, protein starvation, liver disease, or pregnancy.


Creatinine
Creatinine is a breakdown product of creatine phosphate in muscle, and is usually produced at a fairly constant rate by the body (depending on muscle mass).
It is mainly filtered by the kidney, though a small amount is actively secreted. Creatinine is not reabsorbed. If the filtering of the kidney is deficient, blood levels rise. This effect is used as an indicator of renal function.

However, in cases of severe renal dysfunction, the creatinine clearance rate will be overestimated because the active secretion of creatinine will account for a larger fraction of the total creatinine cleared. Men tend to have higher levels of creatinine because they have more skeletal muscle than women.




Elevated levels are sometimes seen in kidney disease due to the fact that a damaged kidney will not remove creatinine from the body as it should. Also, elevated levels are seen with the use of some drugs that could impair kidney filtration. Finally, elevated levels could also be seen with muscle degeneration, a high protein diet, or creatine supplementation.

With respect to creatinine measurements, it's important to note that the amount of creatinine in the blood is regulated by the amount being produced (from protein degradation - muscle or dietary) vs. the amount that's being removed (by the kidney).

Therefore, although creatinine in the blood could be a marker of a damaged kidney's inability to filter creatinine out of the body at a normal rate, it could also be a marker of rapid protein degradation (via muscle damage from weight training or from a high protein intake).

Think of the blood as a sink. If you turn on the faucet at a low rate, the amount of water going into the sink and the amount leaving the sink should balance each other out, leading to a predictable amount of water in the sink at any moment. However, if you partially plug the drain, you'll get more water accumulating in the sink at the same faucet flow rate.

This is similar to kidney dysfunction (thinking of the water as creatinine). However, alternatively, if the drain remains unplugged but you crank up the faucet flow rate, you'll get more water in the sink due to the higher flow. This is similar to a high protein diet.

Since weightlifters are continually breaking down muscle protein (this is a good thing), even in the absence of a high protein diet, blood creatinine concentrations tend to be elevated. Furthermore, add in a higher protein diet and creatinine concentrations in the blood will rise.

Finally, since creatinine is also a breakdown product of creatine, if a weightlifter is taking creatine supplements (which most do), blood creatinine concentrations will also be high. What all of this means is that the faucet is turned up in weightlifters, not that the drain is plugged.

To address the other relevant measure, the nitrogen component of urea, blood urea nitrogen (BUN), is the end product of protein metabolism and its concentration is also influenced by the rate of excretion (as is creatinine). Excessive protein intake, kidney damage, certain drugs, low fluid intake, intestinal bleeding, exercise, or heart failure can cause increases in BUN.


BUN Testing
The blood urea nitrogen (BUN) test is a measure of the amount of nitrogen in the blood that comes from urea. Urea is a substance secreted by the liver, and removed from the blood by the kidneys.
The most common cause of an elevated BUN, azotemia, is due to renal failure. This can be due to a temporary condition such as dehydration or shock.




Decreased levels may be due to a poor diet, malabsorption, liver damage, or low nitrogen intake. Excess BUN is even more closely correlated with protein intake than is creatinine. The same argument above applies here.

So, as you can see, since both creatinine and BUN are correlated with both high protein metabolism AND kidney function, I'm not suggesting that it's unreasonable that doctors are worried about the kidneys of your son or daughter.

But it's important for you and your doctor to realize that the increases in BUN and creatinine seen in healthy weightlifters who eat higher protein diets aren't necessarily a function of kidney health but are much more closely correlated with their diet and training.

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I used anadrol twice last year 50mg for 4-weeks each time. I also use a creatine supplement. my count was 723 and the dr told me normal is 120’s. I’ve been clean for 6 months and my level is still 269!

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I used anadrol twice last year 50mg for 4-weeks each time. I also use a creatine supplement. my count was 723 and the dr told me normal is 120’s. I’ve been clean for 6 months and my level is still 269!

What's the normal range? How is your hematocrit/RBC?
Try to eat max 1grams of protein per body-Kg, it's 0.5grams per lb, for a week(you will not loose muscle, don't worry!), drink 5 liters of water daily, no creatine or other supps and repeat blood test.