Critique My Cutting Cycle - Sustanon/Tren A+E/Masteron P & E

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Hello all, new member to this forum. Stumbled upon it via trying to reference the legitimacy of naps.

I am currently 5'10, 240, and not sure on bf but I would guess 19%. I actually look a lot leaner than my actual weight suggests, most people say I look closer to 220 lbs. I have very good muscle density and a thick, stocky build.

I am a former athlete, and while I carry a higher bf %, I still have pretty good definition in my shoulders, back, arms and calves.

I am a 29 years old, did a mini 5 week Test P cycle when I was 23, and a 14 week Test C/EQ cycle when I was 24.

My Goals (In order of Priority)

- Drop as much bodyfat as possible (Yes, I know Diet + Cardio mainly responsible. but I don't want to burn muscle mass)

- Improve definition

- Get Stronger/improve athleticism

- Gain a few lbs of muscle

What I am planning on running:

Weeks: Substance Dosage

1-10 Sustanon 250mg
1-10 Tren A 100mg
1-10 Tren E 200mg
5-10 Masteron P/E 200mg
1-10 Letrozole 1.25/2.5mg ED (2.5 weeks 1-5, 1.25 weeks 5-10 when Masteron is in)
12-13 Nolva 40mg/day
12-13 Clomid 100mg/day
14-16 Nolva 20mg/day
14-16 Clomid 50mg day


Too weak of dosage for my weight?

The purpose of the Tren A is to feel the effects of the tren quicker while the e ester kicks in, and have it peak the last few weeks.

Thoughts? Thank you.

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Plenty of guys are going to chime in and say that you shouldnt be messing with tren right now giving your level of experience with gear. Theyre right, but since 90% of people are going to do what they originally planned anyway, im going to tell u the "smarter" way to do it

First, you need to up the sust to 500mg a week. Second, drop the tren e and just use ace starting at 300mg/week. Since you have no idea how your body will react to tren(some say its the harshest drug out there as far as sides are concerned) using ace will allow it to clear faster than e if you cant handle it were talking a difference in days and weeks. Third, youre wasting your hard earned money on the mast at 19% bf. Its a hardener. Its considered the icing on the cake, like winny. Fourth, letro is too strong. You need to have it on hand in case things go wrong but you will be better off with something like 12.5mg of aromasin e3d. Fifth and final, if youre going to use tren, you need a progestin antagonist like dostinex/caber

With all that said, you can take all the gear in the world but if your diet and cardio arent on point, you might as well not waste your money on gear. I would like to see you post your diet and training routine and see what we can fix there if anything

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I understand the concern but I will just say my body has a high tolerance for shit. I'm not a pussy when it comes to dealing with side effects or pain.

I was originally gonna run the test at 500mg/WK, but I don't want to bloat. Last thing I wanna do is hold a ton of water... and I'm not trying topack on a ton of muscle. Do you think I could bump up the test and still not bloat BC of the letro?

And I am not planning on starting the Masteron until midway thru the cycle... the first 5 weeks I will be on a mass calorie restriction to drop body fat.

Several sources I have researched have said that letro controls progestin based gyno as well.

I know there are certain ideas you vets swear by, but if tren burns fat considerably even without a perfect diet, then what does it matter if the person is at 10% or 18% starting out? Either way its gonna be a significant drop in unwanted body fat.

And Masteron from everything I have studied greatly aids in providing energy, stamina, and strength.... all things that contribute to energy being burnt and causing more muscular stress which would raise metabolism.... is that not correct? And since estrogen is what causes higher fat stores, would that not play a role in making sure more fat isn't stored while on cycle?

I just want to know if the dosages are good or too low. Thanks again.

*BTW I do 30-40 min of cardio 4-6 days a week, and lift about 5 days. I'm a mesomorph naturally who has fucked his hormones from likely a past poor pct. Have very mild gyno as well, hence the letro and interest in Masterson. I think my hormones need a boost to get near what I was before.

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I also plan on upping my cardio to pick up basketball and plyometrics to and through the cycle

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For most part - I love your slection and yes I think you could go higher- If you are still a noob ( and I use affectionately) Do sust 250 2 times week, otherwise Id use 100 mg week of sust- thats your bread and butter to do all you want right there. Personally if you only have few cycles under your belt - I really dont see the need for tren and if you arent lean no need for masteron yet. Youd be better off stacking sust with nandrolone and winny. As I told you in another post here- GEAR DONT BURN FAT PERIOD- thats science fact , not opinion. I like your structure of cycle though- you seem to understand that if you want to get lean eating and training are how you get there. Gear enhances your recovery and how you assimilate nitrogen/protien. Winny will keep bloat down , butr also build muscle and good for reflexes - Tren hinders athletiscsm etc. Personally I prefer short esters- I dont mind pinning, even if I had to do 2 times daily,I dont mind- I like things to work fast. Masteron is for people that are already defined- otherwise it does nothing. I dont care who says so , even if you think so- Tren doesnt burn fat- if anything Test burns most fat as it prevents additional accumulation.
If you were my client
sustenon 500mg weekly
Nandrolone phenyl 100mg 3x weekly
Winstrol 100mg day 5-10

Hello all, new member to this forum. Stumbled upon it via trying to reference the legitimacy of naps.

I am currently 5'10, 240, and not sure on bf but I would guess 19%. I actually look a lot leaner than my actual weight suggests, most people say I look closer to 220 lbs. I have very good muscle density and a thick, stocky build.
.

What I am planning on running:

Weeks: Substance Dosage

1-10 Sustanon 250mg
1-10 Tren A 100mg
1-10 Tren E 200mg
5-10 Masteron P/E 200mg
1-10 Letrozole 1.25/2.5mg ED (2.5 weeks 1-5, 1.25 weeks 5-10 when Masteron is in)
12-13 Nolva 40mg/day
12-13 Clomid 100mg/day
14-16 Nolva 20mg/day
14-16 Clomid 50mg day


Too weak of dosage for my weight?

The purpose of the Tren A is to feel the effects of the tren quicker while the e ester kicks in, and have it peak the last few weeks.

Thoughts? Thank you.

[Xxplosive Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Xxplosive]

For most part - I love your slection and yes I think you could go higher- If you are still a noob ( and I use affectionately) Do sust 250 2 times week, otherwise Id use 100 mg week of sust- thats your bread and butter to do all you want right there. Personally if you only have few cycles under your belt - I really dont see the need for tren and if you arent lean no need for masteron yet. Youd be better off stacking sust with nandrolone and winny. As I told you in another post here- GEAR DONT BURN FAT PERIOD- thats science fact , not opinion. I like your structure of cycle though- you seem to understand that if you want to get lean eating and training are how you get there. Gear enhances your recovery and how you assimilate nitrogen/protien. Winny will keep bloat down , butr also build muscle and good for reflexes - Tren hinders athletiscsm etc. Personally I prefer short esters- I dont mind pinning, even if I had to do 2 times daily,I dont mind- I like things to work fast. Masteron is for people that are already defined- otherwise it does nothing. I dont care who says so , even if you think so- Tren doesnt burn fat- if anything Test burns most fat as it prevents additional accumulation.
If you were my client
sustenon 500mg weekly
Nandrolone phenyl 100mg 3x weekly
Winstrol 100mg day 5-10

Thank you again for your advice my friend. I have thought about it more, and this is what I tweaked it to. If you could use your experience/knowledge to critique it, I would very much appreciate it:

Weeks 1-4: *Sustanon 250-500mg, Tren A 100mg, Tren E 200mg, Letro 1.25mg/day

Weeks 5-8: Sustanon 250-500mg, Tren A 150mg, Tren E 200mg, 400mg Masteron, .5mg letro

Weeks 8-10: Sustanon 250-500mg, 600mg Masteron

Weeks 11-12: 400mg Masteron + 100mg Clomid daily

Week 13: 300mg Masteron + 50mg Clomid daily

Week 14: 200mg Masteron + 25mg Clomid Daily + 5000iu hcg

Week 15: Nolva/20mg Clomid/5000iu hcg


Per your advice, I am not gonna run Masteron until I'm halfway done with tren. I figure that will allow me those 4 weeks to lean down a bit more with the aid of test/tren (notice I used "aid" ), and keep running the Masteron several weeks after my last test injection to keep estrogen down, and to also try to retain gains that I made.

I suppose this may not make sense to you because you don't know my body type so let me explain:

When I say I'm ~18% bf, first of all, it's a bit of a guess (I may actually be leaner), but I have A LOT of muscle mass, and have a naturally stocky build with a thick truck, shoulders, etc. I just have some love handles and some fat concentration in my hips/thighs that I want to get rid of. Since this type of fat appeared after my last cycle 6 years ago and have trouble getting it off, I fear it may be estro related, which is why I wanna get back on cycle-- so I can get my test levels back up while inhibiting my a2 receptors.

But even as I am right now, I look like an ex football player whose gained a few pounds. Still have a lot of muscle and definition in certain parts of my body.