Test on all cycles?

[1tuffcookie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1tuffcookie]

Is it neccesary to run test with every cycle or can you just go without? What are the pro's and con's

[Optimal Cruz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Optimal Cruz]

Always Test in my opinion its the foundation of every cycle - Its as simple as that,

[BADSEED1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BADSEED1976]

always test in my opinion its the foundation of every cycle - its as simple as that,

i was told the same thing

[1tuffcookie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1tuffcookie]

Even if I want to run sustanon?

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

Even if I want to run sustanon?

come on 1Tuffcookie (I expect more from U )- Sust is test, its a blend of tests. - usually ;
30 mg testosterone propionate
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate
60 mg testosterone isocaproate
100 mg testosterone decanoate


The Pros+Cons - IMO,

- Test replaces ur natty test simply+safely (which gets shut down) its also a great base to build on.
(Safer ? - Lets face it Dr.s do prescribe Testosterone for HRT/TRT).

- A cycle w/o test would require u to take a much higher dosage of another Compound (like Dbol,Deca or Tren) to replace + go above normal test levels which comes with greater sides.

No one is saying it is impossible or won't work, I believe it is safer + easier to use Test as a base on every cycle.

[ment to juice Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ment to juice]

It is.an absolute must to.run test no if ands or butts a cycle means test lol u cant say cycle with out running test test is the best

[Mclovin13 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mclovin13]

I remember when I first started using whenever someone would suggest this I would refute it, cause in my mind test means getting big and puffy and I was always looking to get lean and cut lol.. Man if I only knew then what I do now.. Test is a must on every cycle how much will dictate what happens..

[eggs4 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close eggs4]

Does them amount of dosage change with age? Like if Im in my mid to late 40"s?(47)

[1tuffcookie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1tuffcookie]

come on 1Tuffcookie (I expect more from U )- Sust is test, its a blend of tests. - usually ;
30 mg testosterone propionate
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate
60 mg testosterone isocaproate
100 mg testosterone decanoate




The Pros+Cons - IMO,

- Test replaces ur natty test simply+safely (which gets shut down) its also a great base to build on.
(Safer ? - Lets face it Dr.s do prescribe Testosterone for HRT/TRT).






























- A cycle w/o test would require u to take a much higher dosage of another Compound (like Dbol,Deca or Tren) to replace + go above normal test levels which comes with greater sides.

No one is saying it is impossible or won't work, I believe it is safer + easier to use Test as a base on every cycle.

Ok with that said this is what I am planning for my next cycle
1-16 week-300mg sust EOD
1-16 week-250mg test en. EOD
1-16 week 200mg EQ EOD
1-18 week .5 adex E3D or as needed
19-23 week chlomid 100/100/50/50
1-19 week HCG 250 IU's every 3rd day.

This is definately open for critique. If you have a different cycle plan let me know I won't be offended..

[Optimal Cruz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Optimal Cruz]

Ok with that said this is what I am planning for my next cycle
1-16 week-300mg sust EOD
1-16 week-250mg test en. EOD
1-16 week 200mg EQ EOD
1-18 week .5 adex E3D or as needed



19-23 week chlomid 100/100/50/50
1-19 week HCG 250 IU's every 3rd day.

This is definately open for critique. If you have a different cycle plan let me know I won't be offended..

Dont take this the wrong way but its all wrong, Let me show you the way of the warrior: Test will cut you with a solid diet, Now I dont what experience you have with training or diet however -

12 week cycle, Do not up or down the dosage! You need steady levels in the body otherwise youll imbalance your test levels and leave yourself open to acne and gyno etc etc

youll plateau at about week 12 anyway, I would seriously consider running Tren E and Test E I think yoiud be amazed at what the tren does! Lean lean Lean

[1tuffcookie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1tuffcookie]

Dont take this the wrong way but its all wrong, Let me show you the way of the warrior: Test will cut you with a solid diet, Now I dont what experience you have with training or diet however -

12 week cycle, Do not up or down the dosage! You need steady levels in the body otherwise youll imbalance your test levels and leave yourself open to acne and gyno etc etc

youll plateau at about week 12 anyway, I would seriously consider running Tren E and Test E I think yoiud be amazed at what the tren does! Lean lean Lean

I actually just finised a cycle like that with pretty decent results. I was just looking to try something different, cycle wise. I know sust is awesome, so am curious to try it.

[Optimal Cruz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Optimal Cruz]

Sust is good, you could add mast and winny to harden gains its really down to you bro?

[1tuffcookie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1tuffcookie]

Thnks for the input Cruz...

[Optimal Cruz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Optimal Cruz]

No problem, Everything is down to you and your body you know what works what doesnt work and I might get some stick but the guys know what im talking about, I would say your going to have to dive in at the deep end and see what works for you. Make our own mistakes learn how your body copes with certain compounds and gauge your dosage.

If something isnt working drop it, Revert to the base cycle

[Gunrman13 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gunrman13]

A friend of mine likes to do Tren only cycles. I keep telling him he is the biggest idiot i know and his future health will not be good. I was told in the beginning "test is the mortar that holds the bricks together. Without the mortar the bricks will fall apart and you will be in trouble." After many cycles i now prefer Test "only" cycles and wouldnt think of ever running another without.