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If you know anything about Dbol you know how it can increase your size and strength quickly. Lets say i wanted to increase my size and strength just a bit while cutting so i can look full lean and vascular all at once! I notice that my body doesnt get crazy huge when im on a bulking diet and when i lean out on a cutting cycle i loose a little to much size. I am currently dieting at 2,100 calories a day loosing about a pound to 2pounds a week. Before i started bulking in Sept 2011, i was 195lbs. By November 2011 i reached 235lbs just from increasing my carb intake from 30grms each meal to 80grms each meal, i took Test prop by itself and still gained some decent size! The only problem is even at 235 i didint look that much bigger, so now im cutting and really feel im not going to have the look im aiming for! So i am looking for some advice on taking Dbol at prob 20 mgs before workout along with Winstrol, Test, Tren, Masterone! Im currently taking 50mgs of Winnie ed, 600mgs of Test and Tren, a week, and havent received the Masterone yet! What do you think? Is it worth a try?
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First, the 20mgs will not really stand out much over the other products. Adding DBol will cause you to retain water and possibly smooth you out as opposed to what you are looking for.
What you have to understand about the products you are using, especially the Tren, works extremely well at burning fat, getting you lean and vascular. Especially with the Mast. I know you haven't received it yet but you will see what I mean. You don't plan on running the Winstrol after the Mast has arrived, do you? Mast is a far superior product to Winny and running both along with the rest will just be too much.
What I think you're lacking and not getting the look/goal you are trying to obtain has to do with your diet. Being on a restricted calorie (carb, protein, fat) diet along with Tren, Test and Winny. As I said before, Tren is melting the fat off. You have to eat enough and not be too restricted that you're not giving and compensating for what you are losing. You need to make sure you are feeding your muscles properly to not get that "flat" look.
Tren, Test and Mast work so great together that you don't even have to eat strict and will still lose weight and get lean while the Mast brings out the vascularity and hardness. But you can't deplete your body and expect that. It's like the guys who don't properly carb up before going on stage. They look flat/smooth , retaining water that is taking away from the vascularity. I would eat more clean without being restricted and have cheat meals, etc.
The DBol will not make a difference and will not give you the look you are aiming for. Tren, Test and Mast will though! DBol is great but you shouldn't be looking at that to over power Tren, Test and Mast.
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Would tren or mast stacked with test be good for someone doing a 2nd cycle? seems that tren is more advanced from my reading.Comment
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if not what is a good cut stack if you dont have alot of gear under your beltComment
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I'd hold off on that until you gain a bit more experience. Plus, no need for huge stacks for the first few cycles. Start slow and gradually build up to the stacks and higher doses. Don't rush it. Take advantage of the lower doses and amazing gains that come with the beginning cycles. Your body can only gain so much in a given time frame. No matter if you take 1 product or 10. The key is making great gains, learning how to maintain those gains, what works best for your body, staying healthy throughout the process, building a solid foundation over time not just taking a bunch of stuff to hit a certain number. Longevity of proper planning and cycles. I know people who have been doing Test only cycles at 500mg a week with the occasional DBol jump start. They just say they are making great gains at that level why increase it if it's not necessary?Originally posted by gambit View Post
I've seen people go from 500mg a week on first cycle to 750mg on 2nd and 1000mg on 3rd. That's insane. What's next... 2 grams a week and not even look great because it was rushed without having a foundation.
Move it up gradually. As long as the gains are there, why add to it? Don't compare 2nd cycle gains to 1st as the 1st is typically the most effective. Just because you gain 30lbs on 1st and 15-20lbs on 2nd. It does not mean because you did not gain 30lbs like the first that you need to up the dose and add more products.Comment
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The biggest misconception is that only certain products can be used to cut. Some have better attributes for specific goals than others. But you can cut with many different products. Some people even use Anadrol for pre-contest.Originally posted by BADSEED1976 View Post
Diet plays a huge factor.Comment
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well said liquid!
i think the only diff i would make is instead of 2x per week try cyp at e3d.
i am trying to cut on test right now. i went from not wanting to do it to saying what the f.Comment
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Thank you, Gambit. I agree on the long esters Cyp/E E3D is most optimal.Comment
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Excellent explanation Liquid! So when would be a good time to run the winnie? I plan on doing 2 more 10mls of tren acetate, one more 10ml of test enanthate, and 20mls of mast prop,enanthate mix. What about incorporating anadrol intothe mix? Im taking winnie right now and this is my second week, should i just finish my eight weeks? Or should i stop now, get on the mast and wait till the end of my cycle to add the winnie?Comment
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