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    In the past I have been experimenting with transdermal gels and cremes. I?ve used DMSO,Phlojel and self designed transport liquids.
    I was hired by UG labs to create gels ? cremes and lotions for steroids, PGF2A, Yohimbine HCL and Glycyrrhetinic acid. If you people like it we can discuss homebrewing for spotreduction etc etc.

    The Science of Topical Fat Loss
    By: Par Deus
    Introduction
    I have previously stated that I believe transdermal prohormones to be the most effective supplements ever to hit the market. That statement must now be amended. Transdermal prohormones are indeed the most effective MUSCLE BUILDING supplements ever to hit the market. But, topical fat loss products have the potential to be an even bigger overall breakthrough in the never ending quest to improve body composition.
    There are four areas that need to be addressed in regards to topical fat loss products and so called "spot reducers" in general.
    First, one needs to distinguish between the products that are merely diuretics and those that the manufacturer (assuming they have a brain) actually thinks might significantly reduce body fat.
    Second, we have to have an understanding of the andrenergic system, which is primarily what these products attempt to manipulate in order to aid lipolysis.
    Third, we must have an understanding of transdermal/percutaneous delivery, in order to understand why a topical formulation could present advantages vs. orals, as well as to understand why nearly every product on the market fails miserably. Within this category there are two issues -- getting adequate amounts past the skin barrier and localizing its distribution to adipose tissue.
    And, finally, there is the issue of Yohimbine HCl vs. yohimbe.
    After reading this, you should have an understanding of why true "spot reduction" is physiologically quite possible, as well as enough information to make an informed decision as to which products can and cannot accomplish it.
    Fat Loss Agents vs. Diuretics
    Assuming we are not preparing for a photoshoot or competition, a product that merely acts as a diuretic rather than significantly aiding actual lipolysis is not what we want. "Cutting Gel" and "Dermalin-APg" belong in this category -- their active ingredient is aminophylline:
    Aminophylline is a xanthine derivative, similar to caffeine, which, as we know, is not a particularly potent fat burner on its own. In rat studies, it has shown good thermogenic properties due to blockade of adenosine receptors (which provide one of the negative feedback mechanisms for catecholamine induced thermogenesis) and inhibition of phosphodiesterase (which degrade cyclic AMP) -- but this is at extremely high doses, which would kill a human, so it is not applicable (1,2). At therapeutic doses, only adenosine blockade occurs, which will act to increase norepinephrine levels (3)-- but as you will see, norepinephrine stimulates alpha 2 receptors (bad) in addition to beta 2 receptors (good) -- and in stubborn fat, alpha 2's outnumber beta 2's (4).
    Like caffeine, aminophylline IS a good diuretic (5), which would account for the girth loss in the studies they reference, which did not measure actual fat loss (6,7). One study did look at fat depth after use of an aminophylline cream, and no difference was found vs. control (8). As a local diuretic, it is likely effective, but as a true fat loss agent, it quite likely is not. Such products WILL make you look more cut while you are taking them, but the true test of their efficacy is a week or two after you have stopped.
    Products such as Avant Lab's LipoDerm-Y, Impact's DermaLean, SAN's LipoBurn, and Yohimburn -- basically any of the products with yohimbine and a handful of other ingredients -- fall into the latter category. They are intended to manipulate the adrenergic system, thus such products could cause true localized fat loss if formulated properly (and since yohimbine tends to make you HOLD water, their true test is also a week or two after you have stopped).

    The Adrenergic System
    Introduction
    One of the major contributors to body weight homeostasis in the human body is the adrenergic system. There are two types of adrenergic receptors, alpha and beta, as well as subtypes of each -- and depending on which are activated, lipolysis (breakdown of fat) can be either stimulated or inhibited.
    The most well-known adrenoreceptors to bodybuilders are the beta receptors. These can be divided into subtypes 1, 2, and 3 -- and it is through these receptors that drugs such as the ephedrine/caffeine stack and Clenbuterol exert their effects. While Clenbuterol acts directly on beta 2 receptors, ephedrine exerts its effects indirectly by stimulating the release of norepinephrine (NE), the body's primary endogenous thermogenic hormone. Unlike Clenbuterol, NE is not selective in its binding. In addition to binding to the beta 2 receptor, it also binds to both alpha receptors, as well as the beta 1 and 3 receptors. It is in regards to its binding to the alpha 2 receptor that yohimbine comes into play.
    Norepinephrine and Yohimbine
    Activation of the alpha 2 receptor inhibits the release of NE. Thus, by binding to this receptor, NE functions as its own negative feedback signal. In other words, it shuts off its own release. Obviously, this is not a good thing for fat loss. This is particularly true at rest (which, unless you are a marathon runner is 95% of your day) -- this is because alpha 2 receptors are activated at lower catecholamine levels than are the beta receptors (9). Thus, thermogenesis is basically always turned off, particularly in areas with high alpha 2 densities.
    There are regional differences in the distribution of alpha 2 and the beta receptors as well as gender differences -- this is what is responsible for the observed variations in bodyfat storage patterns(4). Basically, females tend to have a large number of alpha 2 receptors and few beta receptors in the gluteofemoral area (hips, thighs, and butt), while men have the same problem in the midsection. With exercise or the use of compounds such as the ephedrine/caffeine stack, catecholamine levels can be increased to a point where the alpha 2 induced inhibition of lipolysis is partially overcome (9). However, even then, the alpha 2 receptors ARE still acting to reduce lipolysis.
    Yohimbine is a selective alpha 2 antagonist (10) and can thus short circuit this feedback loop, maximizing NE levels, thus maximizing fat loss, particularly in these problem areas -- and even more so if we can achieve high levels of yohimbine and NE in the adipose tissue. Unfortunately, to do so with orals, or any other method that results in high blood levels, means that we will also have high levels in the heart and CNS -- thus, we will also have unpleasant and dangerous side effects such as tachycardia, high blood pressure, and anxiety. Considering the subject of this article, I obviously believe the solution lies in transdermal administration -- but more on that in a bit.

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    I gave up

    I tried to post the article 3 times and it was always to long The text that you have entered is too long (12084 characters). Please shorten it to 10000 characters long. I'll post it in the blog
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      nice man i'm not super interested in fat loss supplements cus it has never been a problem for me but i still gotta read this and thank u for all the free info :P
      but hey thats just what i think and i'm a idiot so don't listen to me
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        more possibilities

        If you can bring in active ingredients to destroy fatcells you can also transport pro-hormones (which happened a lot when they where still legal in the USA) or stanozolol or test base as they do with testosterone gel that you have to apply on your scrotum with TRT. I played around a bit with these alcohol (ethanol) based gels that react with carbopol. In the picture a nice thick gel at the bottem a picture that shows that I tried to mix-in testosterone base. On the top you see a picture of an empty gelcarrier and one with the test base mixed in.. These carriers also transported pgf2a a prostaglandine that was used to provide muscle growth and at competing bodybuilders an enormous muscle hardness, Markus Ruhl and Ed Wood where a few of the pro's using these prostaglandines. The downsides where the frequent painfull injections thats why some guys from a secret (by invitation only) forum together tried to develop a better carrier for application, in this case a transdermal carrier, more here: http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/

        PGF2 and anabolism.

        Many studies have demonstrated an anabolic effect of PGF2 in skeletal muscles of both humans and animals. Paradoxically, PGF2 usage is still reserved to a bodybuilding elite and no one is willing to divulge the precious secret edge. One of the most remarkable effects of PGF2 is that it mediates the major part of the anabolic effects of insulin. By using PGF2, you can use far less insulin and get a far stronger muscle building effect.
        PGF2 and weak bodyparts. The cardinal rule of PGF2 is to inject as far away as possible from the intestine. You see, PGF2 induces a very strong contraction of the intestine and the bladder (both smooth muscles). The major candidate as a site of injection was the front shoulders. But by repeating injections in the shoulders, bodybuilders soon ended up with grossly overdeveloped front delts. They looked like walking monkeys. The rest of their body was growing too, but not as fast as the muscles closest to the sites of injections. What this means is that if you want to develop a weak muscle, just inject PGF2 locally and watch the muscle grow. We are talking about a real muscle growth and not an artificial swelling like Synthol or Esiclene would induce. Calves are a muscle of choice. In fact, even if your calves failed to grow no matter how much steroid and training you administered, PGF2 will solve your problem. After a single cycle of PGF2, unresponsive calves start to respond to both training and steroids even if they never did before.The localized growth induced by PGF2 may appear magical, but there is a simple explanation. The life cycle of the injected PGF2 is terribly short (minutes). Most of it will be destroyed in your lungs. If you hit your right calf for example, this muscle will be exposed to a maximal concentration of PGF2. As the prostaglandin rapidly leaks out of the calf and passes into the blood, it will quickly reach the lungs where most of it will be destroyed. What is left of the PGF2 will be dispatched evenly though your whole body. It means that the other muscles will be exposed to far less of the anabolic effects of PGF2. So unless you want to make a weak point grow, you should rotate the sites of injections frequently which as we will see is not a problem.

        PGF2 is not to be confused with steroids. You've probably realized by now that PGF2 produces growth in a radically different way from steroids -- although I do not exclude that part of the anabolic actions of androgens are mediated by a local release of PGF2. The way PGF2 should be used is therefore radically different from that of androgens. Steroid use is rather comfortable. You inject or swallow them once in a while and wait for the growth to occur. This is not the case with PGF2. Their main drawback is precisely their difficulty of administration. Steroids once injected survive several days in your body. PGF2 will last only several minutes though their stimulatory actions on anabolism will be far longer lasting (hours). It means that frequent injections are compulsory. Ideally this would be five times per day, 30 minutes after meals.
        You will also notice that once you have injected PGF2, the muscle which received it gets sore almost immediately. If the muscle was already sore from training, that painful sensation may become very intense. You definitely do not want to repeat injections at the very same location, hence the necessity for rotation. By the same token, you will notice that you cannot inject in a muscle and then train this muscle. PGF2 is algesic (a pain mediator). Therefore, the timing of injections is key. You should wait for at least 2 to 3 days after you have trained a muscle to inject it. Then you will have to wait for 24 hours before training this muscle. If your muscle is already sore, I advise against using it as a site of injection as long as it hurts. You will also learn that it is more comfortable to hit the outer part of the muscle than the inner part. For example, it is less painful to hit the outer head of the triceps than the inner head that touches your lats. Some bodyparts such as the biceps, the back, etc. are especially sensitive to the pain sensation PGF2 will induce.
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