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[allergate Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close allergate]

Hey guys

Wasnt sure which section to post this in as im currently using test however I was wondering if you could all help me please?

Ive been prescribed Metformin by my psychiatrist as hes put me back on Seroquel to help my mood. However with seroquel comes massive weight gain a bit like zyprexia (olanzapine) etc

Now he says this will help me lose body fat so I was wondering.....since it makes the body more sensitive to insulin and Ive heard of body builders using this. Could anyone recommend ways to maximise its benefit of increasing insulin sensitivity, losing body fat gaining muscle etc?????

In feb Im going to be running test/EQ or test and deca and d/bol for a bulk. I need to really research all posibilities to make the most of this drug however all help would be massively appreciated

[RonnyT Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RonnyT]

Metformin (Glucophage) for Weight Loss
Metformin, sold under the trade name Glucophage, is used to treat diabetes, but several studies show that it also helps non-diabetics to lose weight by reducing hunger (1).

You may be overweight because your body makes too much insulin, especially if your store your fat primarily in your belly. When you eat, your blood sugar level rises. The higher it rises, the more insulin your pancreas releases. Insulin makes you fat by acting on your brain to make you hungry, your liver to manufacture fat, and the fat cells in your belly to fill with fat. So the treatment for this type of obesity is to avoid foods that cause the highest rise in blood sugar and to take medications that prevent your blood sugar levels from rising too high. Avoid bakery products, pastas and all foods made from flour, fruit juices and everything with added sugar. Eat fruits and root vegetables such as potatoes only with meals.

After you eat, sugar goes from your intestines into your bloodstream, and then immediately into your liver. Then your liver releases sugar back into your bloodstream to cause your blood sugar level to rise. To keep blood sugar levels from rising too high, your pancreas release insulin into your bloodstream. Insulin makes you hungry all the time and causes your liver to convert extra calories to fat and it constricts arteries to cause heart attacks. You need insulin to keep blood sugar levels from rising too high to cause diabetes, nerve damage, heart attacks, strokes and kidney damage. Glucophage reduces sugar release from your liver to prevents blood sugar levels from rising too high, so your body doesn't need to produce as much insulin that makes you hungry and causes your liver to make fat (3,13,14).

Glucophage lowers insulin levels (4), prevents many of the side effects of diabetes and can be used by people who want to lose weight. However, Glucophage is not effective when your blood is acidic from excess lactic acid and recent research shows that exercise, which raises lactic acid, does not cause blood acid levels to rise enough to reduce Glucophage's benefits (5). Glucophage, itself, does not raise blood lactate levels and is therefore considerably safer than doctors originally thought. Since Glucophage lowers insulin, diabetics should be placed on Glucophage to lower their requirements for all other medications used to treat diabetes (6).

A common cause of obesity in women is called polycystic ovary syndrome, which is caused by having high blood levels of insulin. Glucophage helps these women to lose weight (7-12). See the report on Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) in the Women's Health section.

Glucophage is a safe medication that prevents blood sugar levels from rising too high, but you defeat its effects by taking foods that cause rapid rises in blood sugar levels. So taking Glucophage after eating two bagels will not help you to lose weight. I prescribe 500 mg of Glucophage to be taken a few minutes before you eat, usually three times a day. You should not take it if you have kidney disease, heart failure or any medical condition that could make your blood acidic. There are many drugs that cannot be taken with Glucophage, so check with your doctor about all your medications. If you have nausea or diarrhea, take half a pill (250 mg) in the middle of a meal once a day, and if you then have no symptoms, try to work up to one half a pill before each meal.

Glucophage should not be used for weight loss in athletes because it impairs competitive performance by lowering blood sugar. On rare occasions, during maximal effort, this can cause a person to pass out.

Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

1) G Paolisso, L Amato, R Eccellente, A Gambardella, MR Tagliamonte, G Varricchio, C Carella, D Giugliano, F Donofrio. Effect of metformin on food intake in obese subjects. European Journal of Clinical Investigation 28: 6(JUN 1998):441-446.

3) MB Davidson, AL Peters. An overview of metformin in the treatment of type 2 diabetes mellitus. American Journal of Medicine 102: 1 (JAN 1997):99-110.

4) T Sir, T Castillo, S Munoz, G Lopez, M Calvillan. Effects of metformin on insulin resistance in obese and hyperandrogenic women. Revista Medica de Chile 125: 12 (DEC 1997):1457-1463.

5) U Gudat, G Convent, L Heinemann. Metformin and exercise: No additive effect on blood lactate levels in healthy volunteers. Diabetic Medicine 14: 2 (FEB 1997):138-142.

6) F Abbasi, V Kamath, AA Rizvi, M Carantoni, YDI Chen, GM Reaven. Results of a placebo-controlled study of the metabolic effects of the addition of metformin to sulfonylurea-treated patients: Evidence for a central role of adipose tissue. Diabetes Care 20: 12 (DEC 1997):1863-1869.

7) J Holte, G Gennarelli, L Wide, H Lithell, C Berne. High prevalence of polycystic ovaries and associated clinical, endocrine, and metabolic features in women with previous gestational diabetes mellitus. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 83: 4(APR 1998):1143-1150.

8) E Velazquez, A Acosta, SG Mendoza. Menstrual cyclicity after metformin therapy in polycystic ovary syndrome. Obstetrics and Gynecology 90: 3 (SEP 1997):392-395. Excellent editorial in The Lancet, January 31, 1998 351:305-6. lots of references.

9) LC Morinpapunen, RM Koivunen, A Ruokonen, HK Martikainen. Metformin therapy improves the menstrual pattern with minimal endocrine and metabolic effects in women with polycystic ovary syndrome. Fertility and Sterility 69: 4 (APR 1998):691-696.

10) Nestler JE et al. Effects of metformin on spontaneous and clomiphene-induced ovulation in polycystic ovary syndrome. NEJM, 1998(June 25);338:1876-1880.

11) N Mauras, et al. Ovarian hyperandrogenism is associated with insulin resistance to both peripheral carbohydrate and whole-body protein metabolism in postpubertal young females: A metabolic study. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 83: 6(JUN 1998):1900-1905.

12) JE Nestler, DJ Jakubowicz, A Falcon, VC Brik, N Quintero, F Medina. Insulin stimulates testosterone biosynthesis by human thecal cells from women with polycystic ovary syndrome by activating its own receptor and using inositolglycan mediators as the signal transduction system. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 83: 6(JUN 1998):2001-2005.

13) David Maggs of Yale University annual meeting of the American Diabetes association in Boston, November, 1997.

14) J Pugh. Metformin monotherapy for type II diabetes. Advances in Therapy 14: 6 (NOV-DEC 1997):338-347. sulfonureas: Unwanted effects such as hypoglycemia, weight gain, and increased fasting insulin levels have sometimes been associated with sulfonylureas. Metformin improves glucose intolerance without stimulating insulin release or causing hypoglycemia. Additional benefits associated with metformin include a favorable influence on body weight and plasma lipid profiles. Metformin is an important first-line alternative agent for patients with type II diabetes.

15)H YkiJarvinen, K Nikkila, S Makimattila. Metformin prevents weight gain by reducing dietary intake during insulin therapy in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus. Drugs, 1999, Vol 58, Suppl. 1, pp 53-54.
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Hi Ronny thanks for that post.

Im sorry but the seroquel is very strong/sedating and finding difficulty working out how best i should use this drug to help me with lowering fat levels whilst bodybuilding.......

[allergate Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close allergate]

Glucophage lowers insulin levels - I was told it doesnt lower the levels of insulin by my pharmacist but it makes your body more sensitive to natural insulin produced..... ???Im properly confused now

[allergate Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close allergate]

Or would this be a handy drug to use during a keto diet?

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Apologies for the rambling posts guys - I think Im getting it now. Damn Seroquel makes you very tired the first few days and thats only on 100mg dreading the increase to 200 tonight lol

Does anyone think using pre-workouts may affect the lactic acid issue of this drug? Hoping it will all be ok. So if I keep sugary food low as I do anyway that will help then use 80g dextrose with bcaa's 10 mins prior to workout I could get the insulin spike anabolic effect similar to that of people injecting insulin due to the fact that the body is more sensitive to insulin??? Does that make sense? Hope so.....Since Ive been prescribed it, might as well figure out the best way of using this Thanks for your help everyone

[dsmith Member Find all posts View Profile Close dsmith]

Metformine acts by many mecanisms, first by increasing the insulin receptor sensitivity , and secondly by decreasing the absorption of glucose from the intestine
and this is the main mechanism used to lose weight .... I don't think it has anything to do with anabolics ... not sure though