Does anyone recommend the oral only stack that they offer? or one with test?

[ringpop1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ringpop1]

Has anyone tried the oral only stack they have? I was thinking about this and have read mixed reviews (mostly negitive lol) about doing oral only because of the effects that it can have on your body and the other of losing all or alot of the mass that you work so hard to put on. Could a good PCT help you maintain more of the gains post cycle?

The other that I am looking at is the beginners bulk cycle which is basic testosterone cycle with an oral kick start, and an estrogen blocker ran throughout.

Any helpful advise would be great!

[M FREAKY Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close M FREAKY]

Oral Stack no need to stack PCT, UNLESS if you are adding Test in the Mix i would recommend PCT Nolva/Clomid or HCG being added I have also seen PCT 6 weeks PCT cycle Nolva, HCG, Adex , Vitamin E,,,,,

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So the oral stack alone would be good? I thought i needed a pct regardless of whT stack i was taking?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

An oral stack only, will leave you with no Test in your body at the end of that cycle, most guys add some Test to keep there levels up. When you stop your cycle you'll have no Test and it will take time to get that back even with a PCT and thats when you'll lose the muscle you worked so hard to get, personally I wouldn't and don't recommend a oral stack only.

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Would a natural test booster help if taken with the pct is that even worse? I am not scard of needles but the pills would be so much easier for me.or should i just get over it and do the beginners bulk stack from naps

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

Personally I've done 3 cycles, all three without PCT - I've lost the water I had gained, and I didn't lose my gains or strength. To be honest, I believe it mainly is a matter of diet. If your diet is good post cycle you'll be fine... nat test boosters are fine

[ringpop1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ringpop1]

You did 3 cycles of the oral only or with test?

[powerhouse Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close powerhouse]

either cycle should have test it in bro..

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

u will do better with a Test base + always use a PCT.

[Liquid Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Liquid]

Having Test is always a good idea

[ringpop1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ringpop1]

So I have been looking at the "pre designed stacks" and they have the "oral only" (which has the Methan50 and Proviron with the liv-52)that I originally asked about and they have the "Beginners bulk cycle" (which has the Methan10 40mg ed, 500mg GP Test Cyp per week and Anastrozole .5 mg ED.

As I read and learn more and more I am hearing some people have good results with "oral only" and keep a decent amount but the sides sound a little rough but nothing to serious. The last few responses have said "run test" If I were to kick the idea of doing the "oral only" would this be a good first cycle? Would I need anything other then what comes with the stack and if I do what would you recommend? This is my first cycle and I dont care what anyone says, when its your first one it is sort of nerve racking no matter how much you have read. So I am looking at this as being able to ask a close friend that has done it before and is going to point me in the right direction because it appears to me that all of you have done this at one time or another.

Also, right now I am taking protein shake and Body Fortress brand drink that has pre-workout, creatine and BCAA's Can I take these things when I am doing my cycle>?

[Ares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ares]

Okay here is the deal man, I was going to run winstrol tabs only but changed my mind due to the fact that I would be losing out on my natural testosterone. I am currently trying to cut fat but since I want to be realistic I plan on taking all summer instead. Ill be starting up a testosterone based cycle. Depending on your goal it honestly comes down to your diet. Next in line is your workouts. But as far as what every single person on here would say is Testosterone E for 10-12 weeks @ 500mg and Adex as needed. Then add a kick start. Dbol if bulking, then maybe winstrol if cutting. Or maybe look into Superdrol or Tbol. Otherwise you don't have to listen to us. If you want to do oral only fine, but keep us well informed or the honest gains ect because it would be interesting. Good luck brother. There is an injection sticky and videos on youtube.

[Vulgarity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vulgarity]

Guys,

He can do an oral only cycle with great results. The oral stack that our sponser has will do. A PCT is a must. No need for HCG. Just do nolva/clomid. You'll be fine. Anadrol/Dbol for 8 weeks would be better though, but you'll need aromasin to combat the sides from estrogen. The Proviron really acts as Masteron or Winny in a way of etrogen blocking abilities. Nolvadex is actually a test booster. Of course it diminishes estrogen levels, but it also boosts Test Levels. You never done a PCT, xamo? If you dont PCT, and your body is looking good (external and internal), then there is one conclusion...you never used "REAL" gear.

~Vul

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

Personally I've done 3 cycles, all three without PCT - I've lost the water I had gained, and I didn't lose my gains or strength. To be honest, I believe it mainly is a matter of diet. If your diet is good post cycle you'll be fine... nat test boosters are fine

orals + inject..



Vulgarity... Arnold never used to use a PCT yet kept his gain... I do believe what I have was underdosed, however underdosed or not, 1000mg worth of test a week with 400mg of Tren, I do believe some still went in... and your assumption would imply that GP gear is shit.

Only difference is I'm looking for lean gains, which are coming faster than out of cycle, but still slow. I probably don't gain as much mass as you while on cycle- but I ca guarantee you that I've kept everything I've gained from my cycles. And I've changed physically... so I'm sure the gear wasn't totally bunk if that were the case to start with...

But again, everyone is different, and some people react differently to the shut down. I don't even feel it when I'm supposedly without test, I lift the same, push myself the same, & diet the same. I guess having someone push yourself to your limits helps as well.

Blood work came up great... I just recover from cycles extremely quickly and without loss. Even though people will say that this cycle isn't hard to recover from.

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I think that being able to push yoursf to the limit everytime your in the gym along with a good diet is always key rather your using anything or not. i have friends that i workout with that want to get big and look great but the only time they go to the gym is when i show up at their hojse and basically make them go with me. I have read alot of forums and threads that show kids wanting to take something and expect that they can still eatwhatever they want and workout whenever they want and are just going to blow up and look like ronnie coleman overnight. i was wondering how important a good pct was when i first started reading about hjs and it seems to bimortany but i have to say, if ur not taking anything for pct and keeping all ur gains u must be doing somethi g right that maybe your body doesnt need them as much as the others? With me not knowing how my body will act with the first cycle i will be taking a pct. lol

You guys said nova was a test booster? Do all test boosters work as a pct? I believe i read that answer is a no but thought i would ask