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[thebigaddy Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close thebigaddy]

okay guy, im new to the forum and new using anabolics. ive been checking napgears and i decided to try the intermediate cutting cycle they have pre stack. would that be a good idea for my first cycle?..ive been training for 7 yrs straight, 5'11" 205lbs and around 10% body fat.

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[StackedDec Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close StackedDec]

If you are set on using tren, I would actually suggest running that stack for 12 weeks. 8 weeks is where you really start to see some quality gains on tren and you can get more lasting gains from running the cycle for at least 12 weeks. Order the stack plus another 1/2 and you will not regret it.

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If that stack has Tren in it, I would suggest you do something different. This is really tough for a first time cycle. IMO, I wouldn't tell anyone to use Tren unless they had 8-10 cycle under there belt. Tren is 5 times stronger then Testosterone. There's a whole lot of issues and side effect that come with the use of Tren. Do some research here on Tren before you make the decision to use it. I know a few guys here, including myself that have a hard time with it. We all have a few cycles under our belt, so be mindful of what you decide to do.

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If you are set on using tren, I would actually suggest running that stack for 12 weeks. 8 weeks is where you really start to see some quality gains on tren and you can get more lasting gains from running the cycle for at least 12 weeks. Order the stack plus another 1/2 and you will not regret it.

even for my first cycle you suggest to push it for 12 weeks?.. thanks in advance

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If that stack has Tren in it, I would suggest you do something different. This is really tough for a first time cycle. IMO, I wouldn't tell anyone to use Tren unless they had 8-10 cycle under there belt. Tren is 5 times stronger then Testosterone. There's a whole lot of issues and side effect that come with the use of Tren. Do some research here on Tren before you make the decision to use it. I know a few guys here, including myself that have a hard time with it. We all have a few cycles under our belt, so be mindful of what you decide to do.

thanks for the advice. i do some more research on it

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even for my first cycle you suggest to push it for 12 weeks?.. thanks in advance

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Yep. Why sell yourself short.

A lot of people do 12 week deca cycles but they should be doing 16 to 20. I know. I've done 4 or 5 cycles of deca, including being on week 12 right now and I am getting good gains, which for me are very hard to come by.

At week 10 of tren you will be VERY fucking happy you didn't stop at 8. The sides (acne, night sweats, high bp, natty test shutdown, shrunken testicles) won't be any worse than they were at week 5.

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StackedDec, These may be the only issues you had, but a lot of other guys go through so much more. Tren is NOT good for someone who is looking for a good first cycle. I agree with you about extending the length of the cycle to 10-12 weeks, but there's a lot of other gear that's available and will be much easier on him for a first cycle.

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StackedDec, These may be the only issues you had, but a lot of other guys go through so much more. Tren is NOT good for someone who is looking for a good first cycle. I agree with you about extending the length of the cycle to 10-12 weeks, but there's a lot of other gear that's available and will be much easier on him for a first cycle.

I took his post that he was already decided on Tren, and there wasn't much use talking him out of it. That was my first thought, but I also look at it like this. If you are extremely concerned about side effects from AAS, but you also want to use them, why not use the most effective substances you can, and try and limit the sides you get. I would say that most people, even first time users will get more quality and lasting gains from the cycle I suggested than 3 cycles of test/deca/drol, of something of the like, depending on diet and level of training. The cumulative sides from 3 cycles and effect on the HPTA might just be greater than the tren cycle I suggested.

The same people that complain about bad sides on tren say the same thing about deca and boldenone. It's always a trade off. I have some annoying sides right now, acne, high bp, and I cannot sleep at all right now, but I am making good gains, so I'll sleep when I'm dead lol.

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lol..i say that to my friends when they say i need to rest from the gym..I'll rest when im dead..i workout a lot, 7 days/week..i decided tren bc ive seen friends of mine using it for the very first time on roids and they get very lil sides..i know everyone is different, thats why i asked to get advice from ppl with more experiences with roids.

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You also must remember that the more you use, the more you will need to use. This is why we say a good first cycle (500mg's Test weekly) will produce the same amount of gain as using more gear. Your body will get use to a certain amount of gear and as you continue to use, you will need to use more and more. If you start with a 1kmg's per week for a first cycle, there's no going back and use less, you will need to add more to get more. Now more gear means more money.... why not start with a good first cycle for less money and add as you go???

thebigaddy, I'm not your father, all I ask is that you be mind full of what your doing and be careful. There's a lot of people who like to give advice but don't know what there talking about. Your job is to weed them out and do what you think is best for you.

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You also must remember that the more you use, the more you will need to use. This is why we say a good first cycle (500mg's Test weekly) will produce the same amount of gain as using more gear. Your body will get use to a certain amount of gear and as you continue to use, you will need to use more and more. If you start with a 1kmg's per week for a first cycle, there's no going back and use less, you will need to add more to get more. Now more gear means more money.... why not start with a good first cycle for less money and add as you go???

thebigaddy, I'm not your father, all I ask is that you be mind full of what your doing and be careful. There's a lot of people who like to give advice but don't know what there talking about. Your job is to weed them out and do what you think is best for you.

thank you MrBig. i really appreciated your advice

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Good luck brother

[StackedDec Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close StackedDec]

Big I disagree with your statement that the more you use the more you have to use to get the same results. If you are someone who takes 3 grams a week and never comes off, eventually you will probably have to up your dose if you want to keep making gains, but that is only because you will be so much above your natural potential that gains will be that much harder to make.

If you are someone like me that does a few cycles every few years, I still get the same results off the gram a week total that I use now than I did 5 or 10 years ago. In fact I have been getting some good benefits from taking 20mg of dbol a day, when year ago I would take 60mg a day. I also have taken a gram of test and 500mg of deca a week and I'm taking half that much test now and getting similar results, even though back then I could sleep all day and lift for 6 hours and eat 6k cals and do nothing else. Now I spend hours a day cleaning, cooking, and chasing my kid around.

If you take a little time off you will not need to take more AAS, you can get just as good of results with the same cycles you did 10 years ago. It's just those who are constantly on who have to take mega doses, and that is because they are already way beyond their natural potential.

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What you suggest for first cycle mr. Big?


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[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

StackedDec,
Agreed about the time off, that is very important. Your key words are "If you are someone like me that does a few cycles every few years" but for a cycle using 1g-3g is just stupid for a first cycle. It's a wast of money and a wast of gear. If you want to use that much gear fine, you may get great gains with a ton of gear, but if you take the much needed time off, your most likely going to lose most or all that you worked your ass off for. Then yes you will need to do the same or more to try and get that all back in the next cycle. Not a good idea or a good way to continue to make gains on a continual bases.

Just to let you know I've been doing this for 26 year, I've been around, seen a lot and used a lot. I'm not sayin I know everything, so don't take it that way, but I do kinda know some thing's.