guns in the US

[timguinness Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timguinness]

Since we are breaking a rule and talking politics, I'll spice it up even more.

I carry, but IMO the only ultimate solution is Jesus

I am not touching that one. Religion always gets intolerant people's hackles up. Idiots come out of the woodwork with their view on God, which they believe to be the only right view. I believe that religion is like a penis. If you have one, great. If you are proud of it, fantastic. But please don't try to stuff it down my throat.

[biggie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close biggie]

I agree with Badseed. If everyone has the right to carry a gun. These dumb fuckers won't know whose carrying or not. So they might think twice before they do something horrible. And Xamo you may be a bad ass at hand to hand combat, but you got to get to the person first. I'm sorry, but you're not going to get close enough before you get a couple rounds in you.

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

First off I want to make something clear, never have I ever meant to be badass at anything. By sharing personal experience from years of practice and actual practical live situations I do not mean to brag but simply to explain things.

Obviously if you take that specific case into account hand to hand combat perhaps wouldn't be as efficient since it's a shooter gone mad shooting at whatever he sees. I was referring to the usual man on girl crap and stuff. I do not however believe that someone who's already mentally stable would give a fuck about your gun? ... I'm not saying anything is wrong but you all lack first hand experience. To be under fire or under the pressure of potential death, or killing somebody isn't something you can just do. It doesn't just happen, and there are specific skills required that civilians I'm sorry to say do not and will never have as you don't just teach civilians that kind of stuff. Also, the hand to hand combat we're taught, that means DOD, law enforcement, military and stuff.. civilians aren't allowed the same types of training. It is not legal in the States or in Europe for any civilian to get training in any martial art that is considered "offensive". Only self defense classes are taught.

Anyway... it just seems like guns are god sent to most of you and that they're the answer to changing the world. I'm no peacekeeper if it were up to me torture would be the first sentence to any criminal. Break the law, pay the price with atrocious pain. You want a change? Now that would be a fucking change and trust me, criminals would think twice before breaking the law!

[biggie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close biggie]

point taken, but if our government wants to ban guns! What's next? I think I read somwhere there are 300 million guns out there. If they ban guns, this isn't going to stop. There would be total chaos! And it would be from the lawbreaking criminals. That was a very tragic situation that happened. I have grandchildren those ages and my heart goes out to the families. Now if this shooter was a big weightlifter or worked out, the media would come off and say that it was some kind of roid rage. The bottom line is they should have a different system to allow people to enter the schools, not students ,but visitors. And someone could drive a car into a crowd of people and do the same damage. Should they ban cars. People are just as wreckless texting and driving. And no I've never been in a situation where I've had to use a gun to defend my family from an intruder, but it's a comforting feeling to know that I have my 9mm beside the bed just in case.

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

I don't think banning guns would change anything that I definitely can agree with... either way anything can be used as a weapon so removing one type of weapon won't change anything.

[Risen_1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Risen_1]

No ban or law will stop a criminal- just like gun free zones are only gun free to law abiding citizens. I have a CHL and carry ALL the time. I have more guns than I can count and have several so called "Assualt Weapons". I respect anyones right not to own or carry as they should respect my right to do so. I have killed many animals in my lifetime , but never a person. I'm sure it would be a different feeling, but have ZERO that I personally would have an issue pulling the trigger on someone harming innocent people- my family- or attempting to break into my home. There has NEVER been a firearm that has committed a crime- only the idiot behind it. They need to deal weith the problem NOT the tool used.

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

If you'd have zero issue shooting someone no matter what his acts were then you're either full of shit or as crazy.

[spark1597 Member Find all posts View Profile Close spark1597]

I agree with xamo. You can say that until you're blue in the face, but you will never know if its in you to pull that trigger until the time comes. Trust us, it's a totally different feeling. It cannot be described in a manner that can be explained.

[Risen_1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Risen_1]

I have an intruder try an steal one of my Rotti's years back. Just got back from a trip and had the 357 unloaded while I was gone. I drew down and pulled the trigger on him only to hear the hammer fall - he took off running. Think I'm full of shit- don't think so . Will defend and kill for whats mine. Not sure where you boys are from , but down here in Texas- things are handled a little different

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

As I said, you're not worth any better than the shooter if you're willing to kill somebody just like that. I've seen more shit than you in your so loved texas and that killing business is no fun shit like you cowboys seem to think. Thank god we don't have crazy ones in the corps

Because someone comes on your property to steal something doesn't mean you should end their lives.

[Risen_1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Risen_1]

Say what you will- maybe you let people steal from you and thats your call, but I work to damn hard for what I have to let some low life steal from me. Knock at my door and ask like a man and I would give you the shirt off my back- break into my home and meet your maker. And by the way- I'm no cowboy even though I own horses.

So tell me-- how do you handle someone at nigh sneaking onto your property stealing your stuff?? Help him out? Bring him dinner? Call the cops and let them show up after he is gone? Definatey don't confront him, may be armed and you may be dead- please tell me how you handle it......

[xamo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xamo]

I'd kick his ass, but not kill him. I've taken lives during my tours and it's not joyful or something you can simply do and it sickens me when people tell me they'd simply shoot somebody and be like eeh whatever. Plus I'd love to see you shoot somebody in your house in front of your wife and children. You act like a badass but watch when they'll see all the blood and organs spread around your house.

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

I think I could do it , if I was in the situation like at the theater in Colorado. I really do believe I could shoot back!!!!

[Big L Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Big L]

I think you under estimate people buddy. U probaby would of babbled on and on about how someone wouldnt shoot up a school. You have no idea what is inside people at a given time. Someone will be picking up dead bodies if someone breaks in and threatens my family. Yes there are some people that are all talk but there are some of us who dont think we just act. Just as easy as punching someone out. I feel sorry for a man who just sits there with there legs shaking as someone threatens there family. Dont get me wrong im not a killer but from experience i have NO FEAR doing bodily injury to someone who hurts or threatens my life or someone elses If its kill or be killed its gona be a fight and i hope every MAN would do the same

[Big L Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Big L]

And i tell ya my family would much rather be cleaning up a strangers blood and organs. Rather than mine