So I Have Decided To Start A 14 Week Cycle, What Are Your Thoughts?

[JakdJay Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JakdJay]

Well For Starters My Name Is Johnny, I Am 22 Years Old Going On 23, 5' 7" In Height & My Current Body Weight Is 155. I Have Been Going To The Gym On & Off For The Last 2-3 Years With Not Much Success. But Only Until 12 Months Ago I Started Dedicating All My Time Out Off Of Work To Clean Eating And Working Out, It Has Become My Personal Life & I Don't Care Much About Anything Else Besides Healthy Eating, Cycling & Working Out 6 Days A Week, I Am Truly Determined. During The Middle Of Last Year I Had Plenty Of More Body Fat, But With Strict Dieting, Cardio & HITT I Was Able To Drop Nearly All Of It (No Cycle All Natural). Here Are My Before And After Pictures:



Now I Have Decided To Start A Cycle To Get That Extra Kick Start. I Understand Cycling Is Not Easy Nor A Shortcut But Just Another Advantage That Requires Determination, Planning & Research. Also I Know There Are Plenty Concerns Considering My Fairly Young Age. But I Have My Mind Set And Placed All My Orders Already.

This Brings Me To My Post Of The 14 Week Cycle I Have Planned Out.

Week 1-8:

Test Cypionate 500Mg A Week (2 Pins Of 250Mg)
Equipose 600Mg A Week (2 Pins Of 300Mg)
Turinabol 60Mg A Day
Anivar 80Mg A Day
Arimidex .5Mg A Day (Or Every Other Day, I Have Not Decided Yet)

*Taking 2 Orals Side By Side, Yes This Is A Concern. But I Think With Proper Dosage &
A Great Stack Of Liver Support I Will Be OK. For Liver Support I Will Be Taking The Following Supplements
Through Out My Entire Cycle & Post Cycle:

Cycle Assist 8 Capsules A Day (4 In The Morning, 4 Before Bed)
TUDCA By Mr. Supps 2 Capsules A Day (1 In The Morning, 1 Before Bed)


*After The First 8 Weeks I Will Drop The Anavar & Turinabol But Continue The Test & Equipose

Week 9-12:

Test Cypionate 500Mg A Week (2 Pins Of 250Mg)
Equipose 600Mg A Week (2 Pins Of 300Mg)

Before The Last Two Weeks Of My Cycle I Will Drop Equipose & Test Cypionate & Switch To Propionate, As I Would Like To
End My Cycle On A Short Ester So I Can Start My PCT As Soon As Possible. Also Will Add A Winstrol Injectable Or Oral For Those
Last 2 Weeks As I Really Don't Want To Run The Test Alone.


Week 13-14

Test Propionate 500Mg A Week (3-4 Pins A Week Or EOD)
Winstrol 80Mg A Day



I Will Then Start My PCT A Week Later, This is Where I Am Ultimately Undecided. I Have Three Options I Have Considered That Each Have Multiples Reasons That I Will Not State For The Sake Of The Long Post.


Option A: (Link To Of Article Which Follows This Protocol http://www.steroid.com/nolvadex-pct.php)

3-7 Days After Injection, Start HCG At 1000iu A Day For 10 Days.
Then Take Nolvadex At These Dosages:

Week
1: 40mg every day
2: 40mg every day
3: 20mg every day
4: 20mg every day
5: 10mg every day

Option B: (Link To Of Article Which Follows This Protocol http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.p...during-a-cycle)

Take 250iu OF HCG Twice A Week During Entire Cycle, Starting 3 Days After First Injection (Not Post Cycle)
And Drop It After 1 Week Of Last Injection

*I Added The Nolvadex To The Protocol

Then Start Nolvadex At These Dosages:

1: 40mg every day
2: 20mg every day
3: 20mg every day
4: 20mg every day
5: 10mg every day

Option C: (Link To Of Article Which Follows This Protocol https://thinksteroids.com/articles/p...e-therapy-pct/)

3-7 Days After Last Injection Start HCG, Nolvadex, Aromasin And Vitamin E All Together At These Dosages:

Week 1-3 Of PCT

HCG 500iu A Day
Nolvadex 20Mg A Day
Aromasin 20Mg A Day
Vitamin E 1000iu A Day

Week 4 Of PCT

Nolvadex 20Mg A Day
Aromasin 20Mg A Day

Week 5 & 6 Of PCT

Nolvadex 20Mg A Day





Can Anyone Here Give Me Advice On My Cycle And Which Option I Should Go With Concerning My PCT. As I Stated I Have Already Purchased All My Gear & Based On The Information Given I Would Be Willing To Make A Few Minor Changes. Thanks Everyone At Juiced Muscle.

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

This is your first cycle and you ordered all your gear? You sound like a smart guy, but you should have posted this cycle BEFORE you ordered it. Wasted money, gear and now you'll need to stick with this much gear or more to continue, bad decision brother, but it's your money and your body. I like helping guys through there cycles, but when you new guys do this shit, I just want to smack ya in the back of the head!

[JakdJay Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JakdJay]

What Would You Advise Me To Change MrBigg?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

This is your first cycle, you can make great gains with just Test C at 500mg's a week and maybe a D-Bol kick start. When first starting out like you are, it's best to keep gear to a minimum. You can add as you start to get more cycles under your belt. imo I think your starting off with a little to much gear, I think you can get the same or better results with a whole lot less gear. Most of the guys here would agree with me for a first time cycle of the Test C and the D-Bo, not only that but your PCT can also be a lot less. What I would say to you is back down on some of that gear, save it for next time. Start off with your basic,

12 Weeks Cycle

Week 1-12 Test Cypionate 500Mg A Week (2 Pins Of 250Mg)
Week 1-4 Turinabol 60Mg A Day
Week 1-12 Arimidex .5Mg Every Other Day, adjust as needed

Then for PCT:

Week
13: 40mg every day
14: 40mg every day
15: 20mg every day
16: 20mg every day
17: 10mg every day (you may not need this week)

You don't need all that other gear.

[JakdJay Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JakdJay]

Thanks For The Advice Appreciate It

[ritethe1sttim Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ritethe1sttim]

Hcg is not used during post EVER. MrBigg knows his Sh** listen to him.

[Pauliuch Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pauliuch]

Hcg is not used during post EVER. MrBigg knows his Sh** listen to him.

Many guys use HCG during post cycle. Some use during cycle. There is a lot of opinions about that which is better.

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Yes, Paul is correct. I never did say don't use it one way or the other, I just feel that it's not necessary for this cycle! I believe it's a personal decision on how you use it, I prefer not to use it at all. I also don't do a PCT, I go back to my maintenance dose of HTR-TRT

[ritethe1sttim Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ritethe1sttim]

I agree there are a lot of opinions... I advocate on cycle HCG use. Through my research and personal experience it seems to be the better protocol. Not to mention the phycological assurance one gets when their nuts dont turn into raisins.

[JakdJay Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JakdJay]

Yea Again Thanks For All The Input, Me & My Friend Were Going To Run The Cycle In My First Post Side By Side, But After Considering Mr Biggs Advice I Will Probably Drop Some Gear & Hold It For Next Time. Question Is If A Person Who Had Done 3 Cycles In The Past Were To Consider The Cycle In My First Post What Would Be The Best PCT & What Do You Think About The Cycle It self (Again For A Person Who Has Already Done 3 Previous Cycles) This Is Due To My Friend I Mentioned.

[ritethe1sttim Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ritethe1sttim]

I would kick start with tbol for 6 weeks then run anavar after and PCT would b what mrbuh saidup untill post. A little less strain on liver.

[ritethe1sttim Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ritethe1sttim]

Sorry. I would kick start with tbol for 6 weeks then start anavar and run untill post. A little less strain on liver. And PCT would b what mrbug said

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

Jay for a guy with just three cycles "in the past", IMO it's still a bit much. I think it's a bit to much goin on for 14 weeks. I don't like that your running 2 orals at the same time and then doing 80mg's of Winstrol (to much, 40-50mg's ed is fine) in weeks 13-14 also, puts a tremendous amount of stress on the liver. As for the TUDCA By Mr. Supps, never heard of this and I don't know how it work. If you said LIV52 or Milk Thistle then I could comment on that, these I know work. Plus your running the orals way to long, should be no longer than 4 weeks, at the very most 6 weeks. Personally I don't think this is a very good cycle for anyone with your experience. jm2c

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

@ritethe1sttim, Stop high jacking Jay's thread, make a post of your own and we'll get back to ya.

[ritethe1sttim Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ritethe1sttim]

My bad jay... New to this just a little overzealous.