HCG Help

[cmode44 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close cmode44]

I'm not going to go into great depth on my upcoming cycle next month because I'm going to do my best to make a detailed cycle log; but in short I'm going to be running 50mg Anadrol Weeks 1-6, 600mg Test E Week 1-18, 600mg EQ Week 1-18, 100mg Mast EOD Week 11-18.

This is a fairly lengthy cycle, and my wife really wants a kid. She realizes gear = testicular atrophy, lessened test production, and thus a lower sperm count. She actually asked about me using HCG to combat this, and give us a better chance at pregnancy during my cycle. I've never taken HCG, but I've researched it a bit, and have read that a low dosage every three days during a cycle; starting the week your cycle starts, and quitting the day you start your pct, can keep your natural production from shutting down.

Do you think this is a legit idea? Bad idea? If good, what should I do for dosage and timing throughout the cycle?

[bigmurph Banned Find all posts View Profile Close bigmurph]

I have heard of taking a shoot every 5 days through your cycle at 250iu or 500iu but me personally I take my hcg 500iu for ten days straight during my right before my pct and im good still if your getting up there in age it is something to definitely worry about but if your young do a solid pct with hcg and you should be good but I would love to know if you do take the hcg through your cycle how it went if you noticed that it helped because if it does I should start doing it I got plunty of hcg

[stallion Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close stallion]

Pilfered from a sticky at OLM:


Everything Im writing here is based on my personal opinion from info Ive read and from personal trial and error.
Ive done many cycles that did not include HCG in my early days, hell I didn't even know what PCT was. This was WAY before the internet so all my info was from freinds and the few books that were around.
I've done cycles that ended with just using HCG the 2wks after my last testE shot and saw results from that(1,000ius 2xwk/ 2wks). IMO never go over 2,000ius per week.
But in 2005 I started using small amounts of HCG throughout the cycle with much better results. The theory behind this is to give constant stimulation throughout the cycle and not let your own test production stop, or at least minimize it. Ive also noticed my sex drive stayed constant while on HCG even when using Tren or Npp/Deca and doing very long cycles. This is without a doubt the best way to run it and IMO leads to better overall gains, reason is not only are you using artificial Test/AAS but you are still producing your own, to me this makes since.
There are 3 ways to use this method. note: always use the LEAST amount that you can get results from.

1) 100ius ED starting after wk1 and continued through cycle and for 4-18days after last AAS shot depending on the ester length (prop 3days - testE 14days - test Cyp 18days). Always make the last HCG shot on day ester clears.

2) 250-300ius EOD or 2xwk and (same as above)

3) 500ius E5D starting after wk1 and (same as above)

Ive done all and really can't say one is better, with #2-3 you won't go through as many needles but all have worked well for me.

PCT ( post cycle therapy )

Key word here is POST, meaning after the cycle is over and that means after all AAS esters have cleared your system not after your final shot.
HCG IS NOT FOR PCT IT IS FOR PRE-PCT, the time during your cycle and after last shot of AAS while esters are clearing. PCT starts on DAY4 after your last HCG shot. The reason for this is when you inject HCG you will get a spike several hours after shot and then again 48-72 hours later, after this final spike is when you want to start your PCT. Again HCG is not used for PCT.

Most my PCTs have looked like this. Starting on day4 after last HCG shot. Start your clomid and nolva on the same day but always run your nolva at least a 1-2 wks longer
3-4wks of clomid @ 50mg ed (in my early days Ive used higher amounts but feel its not needed)
5-6wks of nolva @ 40mg ed 2wks and 20mg ed for remainder
IMO a PCT should last at least 4-6wks+
Also there seems to be great alternative to clomid/nolva these days, some are available here on OLM.

[ODB Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ODB]

I believe u had it right cmode - 250ius, 1-2x wk until PCT. (Medical studies found no benefit @ all to any dose above 270ius)

but I do not 100% believe that HCG keeps ur Nads ON as the AAS r sending the shut off signal - conflicting messages within the body?

But IMHO - what the fuck it can't hurt.

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

Its not that big a deal bro. My wife and i actually conceived while i was on my last cycle and were getting ready to have our first child in a few weeks. I realize everyone is different, trust me. But its not impossible. If its not happening, just fuck a lot more haha

But yes 250iu 2x a week is plenty enough to keep them hanging

[cmode44 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close cmode44]

My cycle is 18 weeks, and I think I will try to run HCG for 20 weeks, starting the day of my first pin and stopping the day before I start my pct. I'm going to pin 250 iu subq twice a week, so that should put me at 10,000 iu for the whoe cycle.

Opinions on this? Small enough doses I won't damage my system at this length of time? Have you guys tried any of the brands Uncle Nap provides?

[bigpa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigpa]

Not trying to hijack your thread brother but someone answer me this. I have never used HCG but I have some on the way. My cycle is almost over like end of next week. So by what I am reading I should use 500ius a week for 2 weeks then start the clomid and use for 2 weeks. Then nolva for 2 weeks?

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

Not trying to hijack your thread brother but someone answer me this. I have never used HCG but I have some on the way. My cycle is almost over like end of next week. So by what I am reading I should use 500ius a week for 2 weeks then start the clomid and use for 2 weeks. Then nolva for 2 weeks?

What are you running? This pct u have laid out looks a little too complicated. No need for all of that

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

My cycle is 18 weeks, and I think I will try to run HCG for 20 weeks, starting the day of my first pin and stopping the day before I start my pct. I'm going to pin 250 iu subq twice a week, so that should put me at 10,000 iu for the whoe cycle.

Opinions on this? Small enough doses I won't damage my system at this length of time? Have you guys tried any of the brands Uncle Nap provides?

You got it figured out bro. Naps send out different brands of hcg. Ive ordered the same thing from their website and got two different things from what the site shows. Its the correct iu's and is hcg but theres no way of telling what brand they have in stock at the moment

[bigpa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigpa]

What are you running? This pct u have laid out looks a little too complicated. No need for all of that

Just the beginners bulk cycle. 40mg dbol ED for 4 weeks.
500mg test cyp a week split of course. Except for last 3 weeks I upped my test to 750mg a week.
.5mg Arimidex ED

I have clomid and nolva. Waiting on the hcg from uncle nap. My balls have definitely taken a hit so I think I need to use some hcg. Will use it for entire cycle from now on. Was going to just go nolva 40/20/20/10 for pct. But the more I research I feel as I should use some clomid and hcg. Give me your thoughts.

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

Just the beginners bulk cycle. 40mg dbol ED for 4 weeks.
500mg test cyp a week split of course. Except for last 3 weeks I upped my test to 750mg a week.
.5mg Arimidex ED

I have clomid and nolva. Waiting on the hcg from uncle nap. My balls have definitely taken a hit so I think I need to use some hcg. Will use it for entire cycle from now on. Was going to just go nolva 40/20/20/10 for pct. But the more I research I feel as I should use some clomid and hcg. Give me your thoughts.

Yea all of that is deff over kill. There are a ton of people that do just fine every day on a pct of just nolva. You will be fine

[bigpa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigpa]

So forget about the hcg?

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

It wont hurt but i dont think its completely necessary. If u do use it, i would go with 1000iu/wk for the 4 weeks of pct. HCG is better being used at lower doses over longer periods of time but can be used effectively in other situations...like yours

[bigpa Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigpa]

I only have 2000iu coming. I have been reading to run 500iu a week for 4 weeks then start pct. That is why I only got 2000iu this time.

[ALEX.18 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ALEX.18]

500iu a week is normal dosing if youre running it for the entire cycle length. Since u only have enough for 4 weeks at 500iu, you dont have much of a choice. 4 weeks of 500iu will be better than 2 weeks of 1000iu. IMO, 500iu a week isnt going to do much for where youre at in the cycle. Now i do understand that everyones body reacts differently to everything so you might have luck with it like that. I hope you do anyway