Post workout ideas

[1tuffcookie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1tuffcookie]

I'm looking for some ideas or information on what to take immediately post work out to spike my insulin levels without the use of insulin.. Any thoughts out there??????

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Formula 1: The Big 3 Hormonal Cocktail
The goal of this special homemade cocktail is to boost the 3 most potent
muscle building hormones in your body. These 3 are growth hormone,
testosterone, and IGF-1. Muscle growth is dependent on these 3 hormones.
In fact, these hormones are responsible for putting the muscle you already
have on you. Even if you don't work out!
Think about this. The average person who doesn’t lift weights at all
managed to put at least 100 lbs. of muscle on his frame from puberty. The
"hormonal cocktail" of puberty is one of the most potent. Our goal is to
mimic it by designing a compound to raise each one of these hormones at
the same time. (no easy task)
In order to raise each one you are going to have to follow the directions to
the letter. There are a lot of variables involved which help make this cocktail
so potent. For example, if you took it right before you went to bed it
wouldn’t be nearly as effective. So remember the details of this shake are
very important. I explain the reasoning as you go along.
The ingredients used in this mixture is as follows: protein powder (Meal
Replacement), a carbohydrate powder, glutamine powder, creatine,
colostrum powder and grape juice (optional).
Each of these ingredients affects the three different hormones in their own
way. Combined together in the right ratios according to your own
bodyweight can create a synergy of muscle building compounds. After a
week on this "cocktail" you'll get some of the most unbelievable pumps
during and after your workout than you ever thought imaginable.
This shake needs to be mixed before your workout and put in a cool place. It
needs to be available to you immediately after your workout. I can't
emphasize this enough. You need to be able to get to it within a minute after
the last rep of your workout

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I hope you are beginning to see why I suggested you use powders for these
particular supplements instead of pills. The absorption rate is much higher
with the powders than with the pills especially when mixed into a liquid
shake. Your goal is to get your body to digest this shake as fast as possible
getting all these supplements into your system at lightning fast speed.
A tip for the hardcore type: To increase the absorption rate even
further you can put all these ingredients over a very low fire until the
ingredients begin to dissolve into the water or grape juice. Remember
don't bring it to a boil. Just heat it up enough for it to dissolve slowly.
Here are the ingredients for creating your shake according to your
bodyweight (lean body mass):


16 oz. Grape Juice
0.5 grams of protein per pound of body mass
0.8 grams of carbohydrate per pound of body mass
0.05 grams of colostrum per pound of body mass
0.05 grams of creatine for every pound of body mass.
0.15 gram of glutamine per pound of bodyweight


An example of a "cocktail" for a 200 lb. with 10% bodyfat is as follows:

90 grams of protein
144 grams of carbohydrate powder
30 grams of glutamine
10 grams of colostrum
10 grams of creatine
16 oz. Of grape juice (approximately 80grams of carbohydrates)

Mix in blender and chill before you workout.

[one-more Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close one-more]

this was taken out of an e=book I purchased seems like huge dosing of carbs and proten, but one can adjust as needed...

[1tuffcookie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1tuffcookie]

OMG!!!!!!! ONE-MORE I can't thank you enough for taking all the time it must have taken you to type this all out, Thank you so much.... That's why this site rocks because of Bro's like you helping the cause.......

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The reason you need to consume it so quickly is for a couple of reasons. The
first is that your body's rate of protein synthesis doubles following your
workout. This is the perfect time to load your body up on protein. The
second is immediately following exercise your body is in a catabolic state
because your cortisol levels are rising. And we know one of the keys to
building muscle is keeping our cortisol levels down and testosterone levels
up.
The carbohydrates in the after workout drink will create an insulin spike in
your system. The grape juice helps do this too. If you don't like grape juice
simply add more carbohydrate powder to make up the difference of 16 oz.
When insulin in your body goes up it drives cortisol levels out. Science has
already discovered the two operate indirectly with each other. When cortisol
levels are lowered your testosterone to cortisol ratio is tilted in the favor of
testosterone.
At the end of a workout your body is also depleted in glycogen stores.
During your workout your body relies on some of these stores to give energy
to your muscle in order to lift the weights. This puts your body into a state of
glycogen depletion. When you consume carbohydrates your body will
quickly absorb those carbohydrates in order to quickly replace them within
the muscle. You can take advantage of this by "piggybacking" other critical
supplements for muscle growth. By using the carbohydrates as a shuttle you
can quickly put your body into an anabolic state after your workout.
While everyone else is going into a catabolic state you will be doing the
exact opposite. Your growth will skyrocket as a result!
Research has proven that colostrum increases IGF-1 levels. With the
carbohydrates acting as your shuttle you might as well take the opportunity
to jack up your IGF-1 levels in your body.
The glutamine in the shake is for the raising of your growth hormone.
Taking the same shuttle theory and applying it we can get a dramatic
increase in all these hormones with the ingredients in the shake.

[Liquid Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Liquid]

An example of a "cocktail" for a 200 lb. with 10% bodyfat is as follows:

90 grams of protein
144 grams of carbohydrate powder
30 grams of glutamine
10 grams of colostrum
10 grams of creatine
16 oz. Of grape juice (approximately 80grams of carbohydrates)

Mix in blender and chill before you workout.

That cocktail is a bit much!

A simple carbohydrates with protein will suffice - Optional: Creatine, L-Glutamine, and L-Leucine to release insulin

Abstract
Column perifusion of collagenase-isolated mouse pancreatic islets was used to study the dynamics of insulin release in experiments lasting for several hours. The methyl esters of L-leucine and L-arginine were synthesized. Whereas L-arginine methyl ester (L-arginine OMe) had no effect, L-leucine OMe stimulated the release of insulin. The effect of L-leucine OMe was maximal at 5 mmol/liter. Whereas the Km for glucose-stimulated insulin release was unaffected by 1 mmol/liter L-leucine OMe, the maximal release of D-glucose was increased by the amino acid derivative that appeared more effective than L-leucine. L-Leucine OMe was also a potent stimulus of insulin release from the perfused mouse pancreas. In the presence of 10 mmol/liter L-glutamine, 1 mmol/liter L-leucine OMe induced a 50- to 75-fold increase in insulin release. A similar stimulatory effect was also observed in column-perifused RIN 5F cells, a cloned rat islet tumor cell line. A twofold increase in islet glutamate dehydrogenase activity was induced by 5 mmol/liter L-leucine OMe, a larger effect than that of L-leucine (P less than 0.02), whereas L-arginine OMe had a small inhibitory effect. We conclude that L-leucine OMe is a potent stimulus of insulin secretion and that its effect on the beta-cells may be exerted by activating islet glutamate dehydrogenase.

[ds222 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ds222]

you also want stuff that will absorb quickly...then you can wait an hour and have a large meal