The Bodybuilder Designed FAQ on Receiving Packages

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This information is for educational and conversational purposes only!

You?ve been down that road before. Either you have considered purchasing gear from a source, or already have purchased gear in the past from a source who will use the mail service to send you your goods.

What is the most important thing that you, the receiver, need to know? I will simply state this in terms of Sun Tzu, the greatest military strategist to have ever lived. ?Know thy source, know thy self, and the odds of you getting caught shall be limited.?

What does that mean? The purchaser has to KNOW and TRUST the source and packaging methods. This goes for international and domestic packing.

First question: Is your source International or Domestic?

If you have an International Source, you have the risk of Customs finding what is in the package. There are sources I know that have packaging methods that will be undetected by Customs. I will not state the key to this in a public forum, but the thing you have to know is that your source, if International, must package with the intention of beating a system designed to X-Ray packages entering the country, run drug-sniffing dogs up and down a ramp full of packages, and finally run through human inspection for anything that may be out of the ordinary, which is usually a package with leaking material, powder, and the likes. Plain and simple, if an international source packages unprofessional, they are unprofessional, and the likes of you getting a seizure notice, or being set up for a controlled delivery has dramatically escalated, one hundred fold.

What do you do if you have an international source that you wish to use, but know nothing about their packaging? First thing, E-MAIL Moderators?do not PM them. Have the decency to keep the board clean and free from any illegalities by e-mailing a moderator using a SECURE E-MAIL, such as a hush, cyber-rights, ziplip, or keptprivate secured e-mail engine. Remember, what you have the intentions to do is ILLEGAL. Ordering gear can ?potentially? ruin your entire life, future, career, and lively hood if you don?t take the proper precautions and you get caught. At the very least, if you are caught, you will spend a lot of money, misery, and worries about the future legal problems you will face, and the outcome it will play on the rest of your life. Second thing, E-MAIL References. References will give you the low down on their experience with the source, that is why they are references and that is their reason of being listed as one. Third and last, E-MAIL the source as the final call for information concerning their packaging. The reason I say e-mail the source last is, even really good sources do not like to give ALL their packaging techniques out to satisfy your worries. They may not have time, or may not trust you, but 7 times out of 10, you will get an answer that will not be specific enough to satisfy you. Veterans and Moderators of this game can help you out with advice, and I HIGHLY SUGGEST that you help one another when it comes to knowing who is and who is not on the professional end concerning their international packaging.

Are Domestic Sources exempt from packaging issues? Well, not exactly. You do not have to worry about Customs issues with a domestic source, but there are a few other issues. Think you are safe with a domestic source? Anyone remember Designer Labs? One of the reasons they were busted was because a clerk at the local post office where they shipped, noticed a package that was falling apart...a closer look, and they noticed syringes and other goodies inside. Were they allowed to use that as evidence? You bet. They don?t need probable cause because of items being in open view due to inadequate packaging. A domestic source that takes packaging for granted is putting your security and theirs at risk. They have to understand that the package gets thrown around at mail facilities, and during the loading/unloading process of mail. Also, anyone remember CyberAS or KJUK? Domestic sources who were being watched put their customers at risk. KJUK?s domestic man, ?Dee Snyder,? kept a database of customers on his computer, which was seized, and a few board members received visits from postal inspectors due to this stupidity. CyberAS was being watched after his gear was intercepted at a local Mailboxes ETC. The postal inspectors took note of what was in the package, re-wrapped it, and kept tabs on CyberAS. By ordering domestic, you are not completely out of the woods, but the risk of you getting caught is dramatically lowered if your source does not pull dumb shit like ?Dee Snyder.? Also, make sure your source uses a secure means of payment. Evocash, Western Union, and MoneyGram are fine, especially WU and MG when using Fake Names, if your source requires a test question. That way, no money trail can be traced back to you, unless you go somewhere where they have a video camera above the WU/MG apparatus. This is something for sources to worry about more than buyers. Note to Domestic Sources: Do not skimp on packaging. Shit happens, boxes break open, and things will get looked into.

Second Question: Which is better: FedEx, UPS, or USPS?

Many people will tell you that FedEx and UPS are superior to the USPS system for shipping/receiving illegal goods. Those people are FULL OF SHIT. FedEx and UPS have their own investigators that can inspect packages. For some reason, being that FedEx and UPS are private entities, the investigators have greater powers under the law to open packages than would a postal inspector needing a warrant under the USPS system. Reason alone, you have more scrutiny available from a FedEx or UPS investigator, which adds one more obstacle in your way of obtaining your package. Second, and MOST IMPORTANT reason to not use FedEx and UPS as to USPS is simply sheer volume of packages being mailed daily. By playing the laws of statistics, a package is LESS likely to be opened or noticed through the USPS system just for the fact that the numbers they mail everyday are MUCH MORE than FedEx and UPS. Also, FedEx and UPS have escalated numbers in packages due to their takeover on the market of corporate America. Guess who mails the average Joe?s packages everyday? You?ve guessed it, USPS. Want to up your odd of having your package blend in with the rest of them, with less scrutiny as far as investigators to look for something? Go with USPS.




Third Question: Should I sign for a package?

Need I say once again, communication and knowing your source is the key to answering this question. I know that a few of you know of certain sources who will only ship using registered mail, which requires the signing for packages. If you trust your source, your source has impeccable packaging that has been proven to beat the system, and that is the way your source does business, then nothing is out of the ordinary. The key is knowing your source. If they ship you a box of sustanon amps, and 10ml vials of test without the proper precautions, you are going to jail my friend. I am sure that you know a few International Sources who ship registered mail who you would have no qualms with ordering from because of their undetectable packaging methods. Domestically, I see no reason for a source to make you sign for a package. Delivery Confirmation is sufficient means for assurance on both sides that a package was delivered. If you have a trusted source, talk with moderators and veterans of this game, then you will greatly reduce your risk of knowing who to stay away from and who to do business with. Under the law, law enforcement does not need your signature to prove you guilty of receiving AAS, so like I stated earlier, know your source and if this is how he does business.

Fourth Question: Should I use real or fake names?

Well, the answer to this question depends on where the package is going to be received. If you live in an apartment complex, then you can get away with using a fake name. If you are using a residential address, then I suggest not using a fake name. Remember, your mailman walks the same route, day after day, year after year. They will notice anything out of the ordinary to arise suspicion. I don?t recommend using fake names. Remember, anyone can send you anything in the mail anyways.

Fifth Question: Should and Can I sign for fake name packages?

Ok, if you receive a package, remember that your mailman will know you. They do the same route all the time, and will eventually run into you at some point. Do not arise any suspicion. I don?t recommend using fake names to begin with. Second, when you sign for registered mail from overseas, if you miss the mailman that day, you have to pick up the package at the Post Office. Standard USPS policy states that you need identification to pick up registered mail if it is a missed delivery. You can have the slip in hand, but you will still need identification stating you are who is supposed to receive the package. Guess what? You use a fake name, you cannot get your package. If there is no return address on the package, it will go to the local general mail facility after a period of time not being picked up. After a period of time, dead mail can be opened to see if it can be returned or forwarded to the correct address. They open up the package and find gear and take a guess as to who they will come talking to. Remember, you can ask them to re-deliver the package with the fake name, but make sure you are there to sign for it. Once again, it is not worth the risk to use a fake name to say, ?I didn?t order it. It has someone else?s name on it.? Postal Inspectors are not dumb individuals. They are amongst the most professional, highly trained, and educated law enforcement agencies available, considered on par with the FBI. If they can link it to you, they will.

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Sixth Question: Should I open the door for deliveries?

Yes, if you have to sign for the package. If it is priority mail, first class, or a standard delivery without a signature, then you do not have to if you do not desire to do so. The key is that you don’t want to arouse any suspicion. You would want to conduct yourself the way a normal person would for any regular delivery. That is what this is anyways, isn’t it? Remember, take notice as to who your mailmen are. You will have at least two mailmen who are different, deliver to you in a week. You will have a career mailman deliver 5 days a week, usually, and a casual mailman deliver a day or two to pick up for the career. If you notice someone different, don’t be alarmed. Casual mailmen are shipped from post office to post office due to the need of the area and who calls off for the day. It’s better to have an idea for your own sake, though.

Seventh Question: Should I have a PO Box for deliveries?

I do not recommend this, but it is fine if you wish. The reason I do not recommend this is because things happen at a post office. If the package is too big for the box, which it usually is, and they put it behind a counter or on a table, and you have fifteen 10ml’s of Test Enanthate, 40 amps of Winstrol, and a couple of amps of HCG in a box, and it accidentally gets knocked off the counter from stacking more packages on it or around it, and something breaks open, then suspicion is going to rise. That is my only concern. Otherwise, it is perfectly fine to have a PO Box for deliveries. You must register a PO Box with proper identification to obtain one, otherwise you will get caught and charged with a variety of federal crimes. Trust me, I’ve seen it done before first hand. Don’t think it’s a small crime to pay or worth trying to fraudulently set up a fake PO Box account.

Eighth Question: Should I get a box at MBE?

A lot of you will not like this response, but my answer is a resounding, NO! Like I’ve stated earlier, I had an ex-girlfriend who worked at an MBE for a few years. The stories I have heard from her definitely would scare me from having someone else be in possession of my package. First thing, just because you have MBE sign or collect your package, does not mean you are off the hook for anything if something happens and the illegal contents are discovered. You are still responsible as if you had the contents in your possession. When you sign a contract with MBE, you acknowledge this, and under the law, you are still responsible for what is in the package if discovered. They are merely an agent or middleman to collect the mail and hold it for you. That said, ever think a game of package football hasn’t been played at an MBE? Think again. Ever think a package has not been indirectly opened by having other heavy packages fall on it? Under the law, these are justifiable means to use against you for evidence. They were not opened with the intention to peek into your package, but opened through indirect means that just happened to disclose what was in the package. MBE or the PO Box is convenient if you work and cannot sign for packages, but unless you are receiving a registered package from overseas, any professional domestic source SHOULD use priority mail with delivery confirmation. You can wait an extra day or two to not use express mail. This is gear, not crack or heroin. Limiting the risk of having the unexpected happening will increase your chance of not having some unthinkable thing happen with your package, by adding the extra step of an MBE or PO Box. You still have to have proper identification to open a box at MBE, and if you use improper identification, it will only be a matter of time until you are caught. I only recommend MBE if you live in an area where you are close to the border of a few different states and if you are receiving a lot of gear. If you can use a trusted friend’s drivers license to open these boxes without him/her ever showing their face there, then it may be worth the risk if you are receiving big international shipments, and check the customs wait via the USPS website on the package, and then decide if you are going to pick up the package. Anything held in customs 4 days or more when the country is not on high alert is the dead giveaway 99.9% of the time that they found something illegal for importation in your package. Basically, I see no major use to have a box unless you receive a lot of signature required mail, or if you are a source accepting a lot of international packages.

Ninth Question: Should I clean my house when accepting packages?

Yes! Always clean your house when you expect a package! Why? In case you become the victim of a controlled delivery, you have a better defense if they cannot find any contraband in your house by denying everything than if they find some pins/syringes/gear, etc. This is common sense. A controlled delivery will happen instantly, so removing your contraband for a day or two is well worth the inconvenience “just incase” something arises. If you were the judge, would your story of complete denial make sense if they found gear/amps/amp openers/syringes/pins/tabs in your possession after searching the premises? No, it wouldn’t. If you get caught, or set up regardless, make sure you deny everything and make sure the first phone call you make is to Rick Collins, or to your attorney to acquire the services of Mr. Collins. This is your freedom and entire life we are talking about that can be destroyed. Take ALL precautions.

Tenth Question: How will the controlled delivery take place?

The standard USPS controlled delivery takes place as the following. Your normal mail carrier has been substituted as an actual postal inspector in a mail carrier’s uniform. The postal inspector will act normally in the neighborhood in delivering packages. There will be extra help from other postal inspectors, local police, and possible state attorney general drug task force members and DEA if needed, backing up the postal inspectors/police. When the postal inspector comes to your door, signature or not, they are going to require someone within the household to obtain possession of the package. As long as someone having the right to be in the house obtains possession of the package after the postal inspector hands it to them, or sees them pick it up, they have the right to do their thing with the search warrant and storming the house. They have also used other methods to make the receiver of the package unsuspectingly take possession as well. I have read of instances where a female postal inspector has knocked on the door of the receiver, asking to help look for her lost animal, and once outside, the receiver is asked about the package and the ensuing interrogation occurs, and warrant is served. As I’ve stated before, the postal inspectors are extremely professional, highly trained, and educated. If they have a controlled delivery set up for you, you will undergo one of the worst experiences of your life. Make sure you see the warrant, and only let them search where the warrant designates.

The entire key to receiving AAS safely through the mail system is to KNOW and TRUST your source. If you have a professional source, you will drastically limit the chance of anything occurring. If you have a half assed source, you chance of having something negative occur has dramatically risen.

“Know thy source, know thy self, and the odds of you getting caught shall be limited.”

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Thanks for the knowledge bro. It's good to read something that isn't negative about packages arriving. I sympathize with people who have been waiting an extended amount of time on their gear but this isn't a package from Amazon and sometime shit happens and posting about it isn't going to help anything. Again thanks bro.

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Thank you for your praise bro.I try with a healthy mind the things to follow.There is an explanation for everything.Only the women got into panic ..... we're men!!!one good advice:Who does not tolerate the heat may not ente rin the kitchen!!!

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Or if you live in the UK its legal to purchase and recieve steroids