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ALEX.18
08-04-2013, 11:43 PM
Well guys im not going to lie. I havent been able to get into the gym very much lately due to some personal things happening in my life. Over the past month i maybe have gotten in 5-6 workouts sporadically and my strength has taken a huge hit. Diet has been pretty good, not great but i can tell im starting to soften up a bit. Ive put on 2% body fat to bring me back up to 14%. Its going to be 2 more hectick weeks that will keep me out of the gym before i can get back into my normal routine. I want to start a cycle in oct which is ready to go which leads me to this...

To bring myself up to speed faster, im going to run an experiment. When i have the time to get back into my old routine, i will be taking 10mg of t bol ED for 6 on 6 off along with clen at 4 weeks on 4 weeks off at 20/40/60/80. I will be using aromasin @ 25mg ew and will have letro on hand. Also will be running liv 52 for a week before and a week after the t bol cycles

If i am missing anything or think i should change anything, let me know, i am open to suggestions. Projected start date will be Sunday, Aug 18

PS - i dont want to hear the same ole tune about diet and cardio and hard work. Trust me, that will be there. Im rushing this because i want to do my first show next year and would like to get 2 cycles in before the show

Pauliuch
08-05-2013, 12:31 AM
10 mg of tbol, doesn't sound like a cycle. Not something you would need ai, letro, etc. I started my cycle this summer with 40 tbol Ed for a month. Honestly I didn't really even feel it. If you did say 10 mg or if it was a typo I don't know. Such a low dose and no test may not be the best idea. If anything maybe a higher dose and do 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, 6 weeks off with no test may be too long. That's how some Olympic runners do it.

ALEX.18
08-05-2013, 01:04 AM
10 mg of tbol, doesn't sound like a cycle. Not something you would need ai, letro, etc. I started my cycle this summer with 40 tbol Ed for a month. Honestly I didn't really even feel it. If you did say 10 mg or if it was a typo I don't know. Such a low dose and no test may not be the best idea. If anything maybe a higher dose and do 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, 6 weeks off with no test may be too long. That's how some Olympic runners do it.

Cool dea bro. I like the 3 on 3 off idea so what kind of dose do u think? 30-40mg? I blew up on 50mg last time i used it but thats not really what im trying to do. I just want to get my strength back up rapidly and decrease recovery time

ODB
08-05-2013, 02:38 AM
I'm a fan of experiments so I say give it a shot (maby play with the dose of Tbol) - I do like shorter 2-3 wk cycle of this type - if ur still Natty.

I have been doing 2 wk cycles of clen with various other orals (3-6wks) along with my TRT or blast.

The 2wk Clen cycles - following the results of a Japanese study on clen.
They studied the effects of Clen (in rats of course) on muscle during 3 wk use. During the first 2 wks clen activated IGF-1, during the 3rd wk the activity of myostatin increased. (Myostatin slows and inhibits muscle growth).
The study shows that the effects of clen change over time - it promotes hypertrophy/anabolic (2wks) but then slows protein synthesis to limit muscle growth.
(Cellular Biochemistry Function - published online June 14,2012)

ALEX.18
08-05-2013, 04:24 PM
Thanks guys. Im going to start with 20mg daily and go from there. My biggest concern is the need for an AI and organ support. Do you guys think i would need them?

ODB
08-06-2013, 12:35 AM
I would Def have an AI on hand but u may not need it (short cycle).
I don't kno if organ supports work or not? may just be another pill for liver to filter? I'm more of a fan of Nat Liver supports like spinach. - JM2C

ALEX.18
08-06-2013, 02:31 AM
I would Def have an AI on hand but u may not need it (short cycle).
I don't kno if organ supports work or not? may just be another pill for liver to filter? I'm more of a fan of Nat Liver supports like spinach. - JM2C

Ive questioned the same thing. Ill have letro on hand for sure so i guess i wont run the AI. Im gonna start with 20mg ED for 3 weeks then go 3 weeks off then back on etc

cmode44
08-06-2013, 04:32 PM
Ive questioned the same thing. Ill have letro on hand for sure so i guess i wont run the AI. Im gonna start with 20mg ED for 3 weeks then go 3 weeks off then back on etc

Can run 1g of milk thistle day, won't hurt.

DanTheMan
08-06-2013, 07:01 PM
im running tbol currently at 40mg in my a day and no signs of any estrogen related side effects I like the pump it gives though

beatricia
08-25-2013, 02:22 PM
I'm a fan of experiments so I say give it a shot (maby play with the dose of Tbol) - I do like shorter 2-3 wk cycle of this type - if ur still Natty.

I have been doing 2 wk cycles of clen with various other orals (3-6wks) along with my TRT or blast.

The 2wk Clen cycles - following the results of a Japanese study on clen.
They studied the effects of Clen (in rats of course) on muscle during 3 wk use. During the first 2 wks clen activated IGF-1, during the 3rd wk the activity of myostatin increased. (Myostatin slows and inhibits muscle growth).
The study shows that the effects of clen change over time - it promotes hypertrophy/anabolic (2wks) but then slows protein synthesis to limit muscle growth.
(Cellular Biochemistry Function - published online June 14,2012)

It is better to make 2 weeks yes one week no for igf1? thanks good post.

Time Bandit
08-25-2013, 02:46 PM
I like this post also. I'm one that likes to keep to the side of caution. Liver support is limited and I would think the short cycle of 2 to 3 weeks would be with in a safe range.
However with out blood work one is still shooting in the dark sort of speak when it comes to the demand on ones liver.

Keep it simple. Lots of fluids and run it short and allow for recovery. Just my 2 cents.

ALEX.18
08-26-2013, 07:29 PM
Ill be starting this experiment in 2 weeks from today. Just got back into the gym today from a 5 week break. Want to get all those little aches and pains out of the way and het those stabilization muscles built back up before i throw in this shit to avoid any injuries

I never have problems with enough fluids. Its a gallon of water or more every day for me

Time Bandit
08-26-2013, 08:23 PM
Kick ass bro. Love the pic. Awesome size guns you got there.. Keep us up to date. Makes me want to do a short one my self :)

ODB
08-26-2013, 11:48 PM
just to throw out another idea... any thought on adding a low dose 25-50mcg T3 for 2-3wks in the mix??

ALEX.18
08-27-2013, 12:06 AM
just to throw out another idea... any thought on adding a low dose 25-50mcg T3 for 2-3wks in the mix??

I thought about it but i dont like running t3 without test and especially with something like T3, i would rather run it the proper way to avoid any damage to my natural T3

Its not something i want to play around with. Unless u convince me otherwise :)

Nature101
08-27-2013, 12:27 PM
Ill be starting this experiment in 2 weeks from today. Just got back into the gym today from a 5 week break. Want to get all those little aches and pains out of the way and het those stabilization muscles built back up before i throw in this shit to avoid any injuries

I never have problems with enough fluids. Its a gallon of water or more every day for me

This right here is important and often over looked. After a long break preventative maintenance must be a major priority. Too often people forget that while we are on these breaks our muscles get a little softer, our tendons and joints all loosen up and our posture tend to become more relaxed. Not to mention our muscular endourance as well as cardio are off tune. I always encourage that for the first few weeks of any cycle whether ON or off you take the time to build that foundation. Most of you who know me you've probably heared me say that if our foundation is weak, everything we build on top of it will also be weak.

Keep us posted brother this is a good thread!

-Nature

ALEX.18
08-27-2013, 03:22 PM
Thanks natty. I deffinately will keep this thread updated

Aikido207
09-04-2013, 10:04 PM
You may want to add Aegis for liver support. It's different than ALA, Liv 52 or Milk Thisle. Aegis has TUDCA and a unique blend that helps liver. Here is an excerpt from their site:
There are many types of liver injury, but only one is normally associated with the use of oral androgens – cholestasis. This condition is defined as a failure of normal bile to reach the duodenum, which may be due to a number of different pathological states between the hepatocyte and the ampulla of Vater. When one takes oral androgens (typically methylated at C17a) the physical structure of the hepatocyte is altered — microfilaments and canaliculi become less contractile. Disruptions in the canalicular bile salt export pump may also occur. This leads to impaired bile flow and the retention of highly cytotoxic hydrophobic bile salts. At low concentrations, these retained bile salts cause apoptosis; at higher concentrations, necrosis and severe liver damage.