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Beastmode3215
05-08-2012, 02:03 AM
Hi all! I am looking to gather suggestions and feedback from the forum members as to the right stack based on my build and goals. Here is my current build:

Height - 5'4''
Weight - 155lbs
BF% - Bout 16%
Age - 28
Time Training - over 6 years
Dedication - On average I spend 5-6 days a week in the gym between an hour or hour and a half per session. My diet is a bit loose at the time being but upon starting a cycle plan to strip it down to the lean and 2 hour interval routine.

Goal - Primary goal to shred my BF% in half or more if possible, I would like to gain a light to moderate amount of lean dry mass and pick up some strength along the way. I have a pretty good amount of mass on me now I would really like to get that mass to show with strong muscle striations and vascularity (and of course add a little mass along the way).

I am willing to do whatever it takes looking for some good solid advice and specific outline for use. I have a strong interest in working through a solid pre-built cycle helping me over come my plateau's. Please dont hesitate to share anything and everything you might have for advice. Along with strong PCT cycle to ensure things are done right.

Thanks in advance for all your help! It is very much appreciated!

xamo
05-08-2012, 02:26 AM
Test E@ 500 every week for 12 weeks... Danabol 30mg every day for 4 weeks... that's all you need.. 12 to 14 are off, 14 to 16 nolvadex... arimidex all cycle 0.5 E3D, and Nolva on hand in case of gyno

Beastmode3215
05-08-2012, 11:42 AM
Ok, test E and danabol seems easy enough. A few questions to this stack:
1) Would you just take the 500mg of test e in one shot every week or would it be better to split it in half and take two half doses per week?
2) Same question for Danabol....better to split it in half and take 2 doses per week?
3) Is there anything I could add to the stack to help me peel the BF% down to make the cycle more effective?


Anyone else have thoughts on an effective first cycle? Dont be shy, looking for all opinions please!

xamo
05-08-2012, 12:47 PM
1) two injections a week
2) your choice.. all at once or through the day...that every single day for 4 weeks
3) OxyElite Pro as a supplement, or some other fat burner, AAS aren't fat burners, you'll get bigger on steroids, but you'll be able to get lean if your diet follows.

2hours interval routines? No offense but 2 hours no break is a dumb thing to be doing.

xela1988
05-08-2012, 03:33 PM
xamo hit it on the head bro. only think i will disagree on him with is to run t bol (turinabol) instead of d bol. i know its not the first time i've made this argument against u xamo but if he's trying to shred, he wants as least bloat as possible. t bol will give u the same effects as d bol but without the bloat. repeatinng whats already been said, your diet will make this a cut or bulk.

wk 1-12: test e or c @ 500mg/week. two 1cc(ml) injects/week on the same days
(optional) wk 1-4: turinabol @ 50mg/day. split into 2 doses spaced out roughly 12 hours apart to keep blood levels stable

xamo
05-08-2012, 03:43 PM
Hehe, to be honest I've never had the bloat on dbol that's why imo it only depends on the diet... but tbol seems a good choice as well. cheers bro

Beastmode3215
05-09-2012, 11:33 AM
Good stuff so far thanks guys!

What about a solid PCT to ensure no sides, proper test restoration, and retaining as much of the gains as possible?

Also I have a buddy that is looking to sell his Cut Stack 150 from Naps. He has two vials. Would you recommend this as a bad start for me or should I go with the thread information as a starter?

Thanks again everyone!

xela1988
05-09-2012, 12:12 PM
Typical PCTs starts 14 days after last injection

Nolvadex PCT:
week 1: 40mg/day
week 2: 30mg/day
week 3: 20mg/day
week 4: 10mg/day

Clomid PCT:
50mg ed for 4 weeks

Get a good test boosting supplement and start that the same day as the nolva or clomid and run that throughout entire pct. this isnt something you want to pinch pennies on though. Remember what youre dealing with and get a high quality product

Beastmode3215
05-09-2012, 10:38 PM
Any thoughts on the cut stack 150?

xela1988
05-09-2012, 11:14 PM
not for a first cycle. it would be a different story if it were seperate compounds and you could adjust the dosages if your body reacts to one compound horribly. with cut stack, you adjust everything instead of just whats giving you the problems. plus its too many compounds to run for a first cycle so leave it alone. maybe take it off his hands for a future cycle if the price is right but dont mess with it just yet. thats more for people who have used each of those compounds seperately and know how their body will react to it.

xamo
05-10-2012, 12:10 AM
Plus...I doubt you want to inject yourself every day or every other day haha trust me it sucks

xela1988
05-10-2012, 12:54 AM
Good point

TommyhawkJr
05-31-2012, 06:36 AM
Why does no one recommend Arimidex as a PCT replacement for Nolva? Is it true that once you stop the nolva, your body will shut down like it is an AAS? That is the only thing I can gather as to why not to use it PCT...

xela1988
05-31-2012, 05:39 PM
Why does no one recommend Arimidex as a PCT replacement for Nolva? Is it true that once you stop the nolva, your body will shut down like it is an AAS? That is the only thing I can gather as to why not to use it PCT...

Bro, people have been doin PCT with just nolva for a long time with good results. nolva is a blocker not a preventer basically. Why fix something that ain't broken?

ODB
05-31-2012, 06:53 PM
Beastmode I would only add that it will benefit u greatly to get a blood Test B4 ur cycle + if u can 1 during + 1 2 weeks after finishing PCT.
valuable information for u now + in the future.

for example how can u tell if its the AAS which raised ur cholesterol if u did not get a baseline b4 u started.

TommyhawkJr
05-31-2012, 09:51 PM
Bro, people have been doin PCT with just nolva for a long time with good results. nolva is a blocker not a preventer basically. Why fix something that ain't broken?

I didn't mean to say Nolva, but that Adex would shut down your natural test production after discontinued use. Not a fix, just wanted to know if anyone knew why Adex isn't as beneficial as Nolva for PCT. I've been trying to research it on my own because it intrigues me but couldn't come to my own conclusion and didn't know if anyone had any input or experience with an Adex only PCT, not just an obvious statement.

xela1988
05-31-2012, 11:53 PM
Adex would shut down your natural test production after discontinued use.

never heard of that one but you might be correct. in fact, i have heard many times that adex will INCREASE natty test. maybe not by much, might be more of your natty test building up more than normal if that makes since. nolva on the other hand does in fact boost natty test and blocks the estrogen receptors so you have no estrogen being "received"

good luck with that research buddy

Beastmode3215
07-19-2012, 07:14 PM
So the suggestion for PCT was Nolva and Clomid and a highly effective test booster. Anyone have any recommendations on a high end test booster. I dont mind spending more money in something that has provided solid results.

Let me know what it is and where to get it if possible, thanks guys!

ALEX.18
07-20-2012, 11:51 AM
D pol by purus labs. TFsupplements.com

jk703
07-28-2012, 09:10 AM
cut stack is very advanced. stick with test for now see how your body reacts. tbol is in my opinion better than dbol but you could also go with gp m1t as well low dose of that 10-20mg per day 1-4 weeks. Xamos advice is spot on you can inject once per week but the goal is to keep blood levels as stable as possible. everyone has their preference i personally like fewer pins. i prefer something like test cyp250mgs 1ml every 5 days and i see great results not a lot of bloat either. for a first cycle KEEP IT SIMPLE. TEST TEST TEST AND TEST. 500mgs per week of Test E or C for 10-12 weeks with proper diet and training will do you nicely. no rush take it slow and do it right!

Beastmode3215
07-31-2012, 03:13 PM
So far things are shapping up very well. I have increased mass by about 15 lbs, and every one of my lifts is up by at the minimum 35 lbs. This thursday would be week 7 of my 10-11 week cycle. I have both the recommended clomid and nolvadex to run as my PCT. My question is; how soon should I start my second cycle, and what would you recommed for the second cycle? Should I strictly stick with test or add something like deca into it?

I am curious as to everyone's suggestions in how soon to start next cycle and what I should run as the next cycle. I noticed Naps was running a 20% off deal so I wanted to order this week in preparation for cycle two whenever that is safest for me to start.

Thanks!

jk703
08-01-2012, 02:25 AM
TIME ON = TIME OFF! 12 weeks on = 12 weeks off.

jk703
08-01-2012, 02:33 AM
By the way nice job on your cycle! If you want to a good second cycle would be Test E 500mgs per week weeks 1-15 and Deca 400-500mgs per week (depending on what brand from n_s you get) for weeks 1-12. You want to run the test longer than the Deca so that way you don't completely crash and lose all of your gains.

Guest
08-01-2012, 08:48 PM
yea or if u wana run a shorter cycle with some pop u can go prop 5-600mg /wk and 5-600 mg of npp(same as deca just shorter ester)... for some reason it didnt shut me down as bad.. so just another choice.. even tho there are a million u can run that for 8ish weeks and ull be very satisfied add an oral too... any question s u can alwaoys hit me up or any1 here take care and good cycle chief

Beastmode3215
08-02-2012, 01:01 PM
What is NPP? I usually buy GP brand products. What would NPP be labeled from that product line?

jk703
08-04-2012, 03:16 AM
NPP is Nandralone Phenylpropionate it is the fast acting "DECA" it needs to be injected daily or eod like test prop, or tren ace would be. Nandralone Decanate takes forever to notice gains usually 8 week mark is when you start to see it that is why most people run Deca for at least 12 weeks. However with NPP you can run it for 6, 8 or 10 weeks and see great results. I personally have not used it but I know people who have and they liked it ten times better than Nandralone Decanate. You would usually stack this with Test Prop and Masteron during a cutting cycle. I know a guy that ran test prop, npp and injectible winstrol and had phenomenal results. He used our sponsor as well. and to answer your question it is on the 2nd page of GP products labeled GP PHENYL 100.

Krazy
08-07-2012, 11:27 AM
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate is very similar to Nortestosterone-19 (Deca Durabolin). Durabolin or "Phenyl" as its commonly called is a mildly anabolic compound with very little androgenic value just like its cousin. The main reason you will see athletes choose this compound over Deca is testing. Metabolites of Nandrolone Decanoate are detectable for up to 18 months. Phenyl can only be detected for about 1 week. Yea, you can get faster results from the Phenylpropionate ester, but that daily pinning is a real trade off. If you are not being tested, then I would say just stick with Deca or EQ as a good anabolic compound that won't have you throwing a ton of Andro related sides.

Guest
08-11-2012, 12:46 AM
What is NPP? I usually buy GP brand products. What would NPP be labeled from that product line?

sorry for late reply i hope u found it.. i liked it alot and i felt like it didnt shut me down as much as deca.. maybe that was because the shorter cycle... i also think u mite wana throw in some var for the goals u are describing(though that can get quite pricey) Being your first cycle u don't need much to see significant gains.. most say their first cycle is always the best/// and typically first cycles are just liek test 500mg ew and maybe an oral.. if u want u can pm me because i tend to forget to check my posts.. gl brudda

Beastmode3215
10-04-2012, 11:24 AM
So cycle complete with great results overall. I have now been off for about 6 weeks. I have continued taking my arimidex EOD and it is nearly gone, and I have been taking Nolvadex every day. Obviously my size is down just a bit but that is expected and my strength has slipped a bit again expected after cycle. But a couple concerns at this point:
1) I seem to be tired ALL THE DAMN TIME!!! (Before cycle I was like the energizer bunny no matter how much sleep i got)
2) I used to be a sex maniac but have noticed that I could almost care less to have sex and when I do my "abilities" are completely off from where they used to be

What can I take to help me get back to my normal? If it is supplements by all means please share what works best and I will purchase asap.

Thanks for the help!

Mighty49er
10-04-2012, 05:11 PM
Beast....You just entered the dreaded PCT crash. I would stop the Ari and continue with the nolva. You only need to run Ari for the first 2 weeks of PCT. Your natty test is just trying to catch up so you are probably experiencing low test right now. Loss of libido is a part of the crash and it sucks!! You may experience some mild depression also. Been there, done that. What can you do??

1) Find a natural test booster and start taking it to help your natty test get back on track.
2) Next cycle, find some MT2 and use it during PCT for your "abilities".
3) Keep busy with work or school to keep the mind active
4) Fight through it. It will only last a few weeks at the most. Read through some of the forums for similar stories.

I hope this helps!! Good luck bro. I am going to try some Torem for my next PCT. I heard that it is supposed to be better than Nolva to get you back on track.