First REAL cycle.. Please give me your input..

[rodrigues Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rodrigues]

Ok after a few PH cycles I wanna move up into the big time.. I want to do everything right so I'm hear to learn.. I'm 5'10", 170#s, lift 6 days a week(everything once a week). Personal trainer last 2 years. My diet is usually spot on...I've been as high as 190#s after the PH cycles but didn't like the fat that came with it so I cut a good 20#s. I like the leaner look even if it costs me some strength. My day to day bodyfat is usually 8-9%.
I'm NOT looking for an all out kick your A$$ cycle.. I will be fine gaining 12#s of quality muscle. So here is what I have put together so far.

Deca at:
week 1-2 : 400mg... once or split into 2 shots a week better?
week 3-7 : 500mg..
week 8-10: 300mg....

T-bol oral at:
week 1-2: 20 mg per day
week 3-7: 30 mg per day
week 8-10: 10 mg per day....? This ok?

Liver support run through the whole cycle and Novola at some point but I'm not sure when because I read some people taking it throughout and some only taking it at the end.?!?! Please advise....

[JuicedUK Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JuicedUK]

Any particular reason you have chosen to taper up and down with both?

[unionbrother Banned Find all posts View Profile Close unionbrother]

You should add some test to that cycle and lower the deca dosage. Deca is known for adverse side effects to your libido. A deca only cycle with no test will kill your sex drive! It’s called deca-dick.

[unionbrother Banned Find all posts View Profile Close unionbrother]

Ive never used nolva before I use Proviron.

[black boxster Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close black boxster]

I'm a big believer in using some Winstrol, either oral or inject for good lean gains...also a believer in Proviron....also agree with unionbrother...use less deca unless you want deca dick...personally, I would never run a cycle without some test in there...either Test E or Test C...doesn't matter...and again, my personal preference is two inject twice weekly, not once..

[rodrigues Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rodrigues]

First off thanks to everyone for all the good info. I hope this thread helps other newbies too...

OK, the dosage amounts are just generic amounts I found online. Again I'm looking for advise on these amounts..

Deca-dick. Ok this is going to sound odd but I'm actually looking forward to it. Right now I'm running around chasing every skirt I see so the lower libido will actually be a welcome change for me as long as its not permanent.. haha I'm not opposed to running some test if there are other benefits to it.

So Proviron is an alternative to Novola? Good to know.. When it's time to order I'll look and see whats priced better.

Inject twice weekly.. No prob there

So Winstrol oral would better match w/ Deca? I'm open to it if the gains will be quality..

[Mizzo Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mizzo]

I always believe to have some sort of Test as the base of every cycle....just my 2c..... and if this is your first I think a test only cycle would suit you just fine...

[dav1dg90 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dav1dg90]

First off thanks to everyone for all the good info. I hope this thread helps other newbies too...

OK, the dosage amounts are just generic amounts I found online. Again I'm looking for advise on these amounts..

Deca-dick. Ok this is going to sound odd but I'm actually looking forward to it. Right now I'm running around chasing every skirt I see so the lower libido will actually be a welcome change for me as long as its not permanent.. haha I'm not opposed to running some test if there are other benefits to it.

So Proviron is an alternative to Novola? Good to know.. When it's time to order I'll look and see whats priced better.

Inject twice weekly.. No prob there

So Winstrol oral would better match w/ Deca? I'm open to it if the gains will be quality..

LOL...your crazy bro you deff need some test, and yes you will get great benifits from it. Deff go with some proviron over novola and 2 shots a week of deca is fine but along side some test e or test c. Also run t-bol or what ever oral you choose no longer than 8 weeks tops with a liver support, i use liv-52 and it works great. Make sure you get nolva or clomid for your pct which you start 2 weeks after your last injection, also have some hcg on hand if you dont want small ball syndrome lol, and it really helps with keeping you from shutting down completly. I would not choose to run winstrol your first cycle as it's used more for a cutting cycle and it seems like your going for a bulk with the aas you chosen. All in all it's up to you but here is some advice and what i would do. Anymore questions feel free to ask or pm me bro, we are all here to help brotha and welcome to JM!!!!

[rodrigues Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rodrigues]

OK I'm just saying if I become a sexual predator I'm blaming you guys.. HAHAH.. You don't understand how hard it is out here in Hawaii. The girls wear next to nothing all year long because the weather is always great....

Ok about test.. I see a few listed so I would need recommendation on which would work best for me.
One 10ML bottle should last the whole cycle right? Lets say I'm pinning 250mg twice a week(so total of 500mg weekly)

I do like the idea about stacking with and oral. So I think I'm going to try Winstrol. What would recommended dosage be per day and for how long? I'll get the 10mg/tabs..

[Matty051 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Matty051]

Test -E or Test -C 500mg weekly,spit into 2 shots,use proviron as an E blocker n it helps the test work better. Winny tabs 50 mg a day only 6 - 8 weeks. Remember the most important think is train hard and eat clean, the cycle is just apart of the puzzle. As far as what works for you only you could find that out ,everyone could react differently to different drugs.

[unionbrother Banned Find all posts View Profile Close unionbrother]

I have some bad news for you, if you run 2cc of test a week it’s like being on a Viagra 24hrs a day 7-days a week! Also with the new gains in muscle the skirts will be chasing you just as much. Go for it, have fun you won’t regret it!

Nolva is not an alternative to Proviron or vies versa. Nolva is a very potent anti estrogen.

Chose your anti estrogen based on how your body reacts to the dosage of drugs you are administering. Everyone is different. I have a friend who gets gyno if he looks at steroids; I have another friend who gets acne bad. You never know how your body will react to the hormone/hormones until you put them in your body.

Start off slow and always lean to the side of caution, the gains in muscle you make today will be gone tomorrow but the adverse side effects brought on by abuse or misuse will last forever.

But as you will see I think there is a lot of good info here on this board. good luck.

[Judge Member Find all posts View Profile Close Judge]

,use proviron as an E blocker n it helps the test work better. Winny tabs 50 mg a day only 6 - 8 weeks. .

Matty051 don't get me wrong but using proviron here it is just overkill! I mean he uses winny so there's no need for proviron, he may use the proviron for the rest of the cycle when he has stopped winny

[showstoppa200 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close showstoppa200]

If you are looking for some good size and strength gain then just stick with test for your first cycle. Run it at 600 per week. Add some dbol at 20-30mg per day for the first 4 weeks to kick start it until the test kicks in. Have nolva and clomid for PCT, also the nolva is good to have in case of gyno flares. I would also recommend an AI, such as arimidex, just to be safe and keep water retention down.

Wait for your second cycle to add another injectable compound such as Deca or EQ.

[rodrigues Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rodrigues]

Ok this would be my suggestion. Anytime I run more than 300mg of Test I add Nolvadex Through out my cycle, Plus I am Prone to Gyno.

Test E Or C- 500mg Split 2x Week 1-10
Winny Tabs 10mg- 20mg Morning 20mg Night 2-10
Nolvadex 20mg- 20mg ed 1-12
PCT- Clomid 100/100/50/50 or Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 13-16

My 2Cents.

This is pretty much what I'm going with. A few questions just to clarify..
Test E is short for "Enanth" right?
One 10 ML bottle will last the whole cycle I'm guessing?

Just to keep things simple I'll just run Nolva during the cycle and for PCT. I will be on liv-52 throughout and after the cycle.
Any reason the Winny tabs start in week 2?
Also, when you say "Nolvadex 20mg- 20mg ed 1-12". is that 20mg morning and 20mg night?

Thanks again for all the help everyone! Hope to have my order in on the 1st of April!

[sam1976 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sam1976]

Deca-dick. Ok this is going to sound odd but I'm actually looking forward to it. Right now I'm running around chasing every skirt I see so the lower libido will actually be a welcome change for me as long as its not permanent.. haha I'm not opposed to running some test if there are other benefits to it.
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i didnt read everyones replys here. i'm about leave for work, but wanted to jump in...

you're missing something here. look up the all the problems that go along with low test. erectile disfunction, "deca dick" is just one of them. depression, body aches, constast lethargy which equals feeling passive in the gym, tired all the time, ect ect ect. you don't want this.

also, "12 lbs of lean muscle" is a huge gain. you may put on a total of 20 lbs with a cycle if you're eating well and eating clean. 10 lbs of that will be water. if your diet isn't clean, your water gain will be more. some of your gains will be fat. the rest will be muscle. 12 lbs of lean muscle is a good amount and i dont see you gaining that with no test in your system. and if you do, i dont see you MAINTAINING 12 additonal lbs, as when you come off, your test is still going to be shut down and you won't have the additonal AAS to keep the new muscle.

if this is a first real AAS cycle, you should be looking at test cyp or test e at aroudn 500mg EW with a low dose AI and possibly a low dose oral kick start. followed by a solid PCT. if you are lucky, you'll gain 10-12 lbs of lean muscle.