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    If this is your first time around I implore you to go with just a Test only cycle (d-bol is fine to add), combine that with a 4000-5000 calorie a day strict clean diet, along with 8 hours of good sleep every night, and last but not least a sound training program that kicks your ass. You will be amazed by the results. Wait to begin stacking until you know how you react to the Test.

    BULKING CYCLES


    What should be your first cycle...Test only
    Week 1-10 400-500mg Test Enth or Cyp. (2 shots per week)
    PCT (14 days after last shot for Enth., 18 days for Cyp)
    Day 1 300mg Clomid, Day 2-11 100mg clomid, day 12-21 50mg clomid
    Week 13-15 20mg Nolva ED

    Possible additions...

    Week 1-4 D-bol 25-35 mg ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
    Week 1-12 .25mg or A-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)
    Week 1-12 10mg Nolva ED (if you are prone to gyno, not if you simply think you are prone)

    The longer esters (Enth or Cyp) of Test are more ideal for a first cycle based on the fact that this should be your first time pinning yourself. As such having to jab 1-2 times per week would be more easily accomplished then Prop with ED injects. The D-bol is optional as a kick start to the cycle before the Test kicks in. I prefer PCT with a CLomid and Nolva combo, some might say this is overkill and if you are one of them then Clomid only is fine as outlined above.

    Second Stack...add 1 new compound

    Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
    Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth or Cyp. (2 shots per week)
    Week 1-11 400mg Deca or EQ (2 shots per week)
    PCT (21 days after last shot of Deca or EQ)
    Same PCT as above, Clomid and Nolva

    Possible additions...

    Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
    Week 1-14 .25mg or A-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

    Keeping with the standard "Test as the base of all cycles" rule, simply add 1 new compound with each additional cycle. Because as witht he Test in the first cycle, you never know how your body will react. Deca is great for adding bulk during a cycle as well as lubricating the joints to prevent against injury, EQ is a great substitute for Deca.

    Third stack...add 1 new compound

    Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
    Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth, Cyp.(2 shots per week) , Or Sustanon (preferably shot EOD)
    Week 1-11 400mg Deca or EQ (2 shots per week)
    Week 8-14 50mg Winny ED
    PCT (21 days after last shot with Deca/1 day after last Winny shot/tab)
    Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

    Possible additions...

    Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
    Week 1-14 .25mg or A-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

    In this cycle, the next addition/possibility was two-fold.

    1) The option of using Sustanon, a blend of 4 different Test esters, all with different half-lives that make this option best used EOD. Some good gains have been made with 2 jabs per week but that does not take full advantage of the esters and negates the reason for using Sust.
    2) Winny is good for those who are looking to "harden up" towards the end of a wet cycle such as Test/Deca/D-bol. It doesn't provide much in the area of mass gains but can make your physique look more cut up, provided your bf% is low enough.

    Fourth Stack...add 1 new compound

    Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED
    Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth, Cyp. (2 shots per week), Or Sustanon (shot EOD)
    Week 1-11 200mg Deca with a large frontload or 400mg EQ
    Week 7-12 or 9-14 50-75mg Tren Acetate ED or 100-150mg EOD
    PCT (21 days after last shot with Deca/Sust or 3 days after last Tren shot)
    Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

    Possible additions...

    Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
    Week 1-14 .25mg or A-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

    Ahhh, the the moment we have all been waiting for the introduction of Tren into a cycle (not really though as Tren and its side effects are not for everyone). IMO, start slow with the Tren, either do 50mg ED or 100mg EOD...if necessary (which it probably won't be) push it up to 75mg ED or 150mg EOD. I really like the idea of lubricating the joints with Deca when using Tren. Who wants to tear up the tendons and ligaments from those tremendous strength increases, possibly run something on the order of 200mg per week with a large frontload the first few weeks agains, EQ can be substituted for the Deca.
    F.I.S.T.
    Senior Member
    Last edited by F.I.S.T.; 11-09-2015, 12:36 AM.

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    CUTTING CYCLES

    Any stack can work as both a bulker or cutter as diet plays the most important part in deciding this, some compounds are simply prefered for one or the other for certain properties. Ex. D-bol=massive water retention, Winny=dry, lean gains

    First cutting cycle...Test only
    Week 1-8 50-75mg Test Prop ED or 100-150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
    PCT (2 Days after last shot)
    Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

    Possible additions...
    Week 1-8 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)

    For cutting, less bloat is desirable, as such Test Prop is the choice to go with. Ideally, it should be shot ED though results can still be seen with EOD jabs.

    Second cutting stack...add 1 new item

    Week 1-8 75mg Test Prop ED or 150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
    Week 3-8 50mg Winny ED
    PCT (2 Days after last shot/tab)
    Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

    Possible additions...

    Week 1-8 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)

    Again, Test Prop with the addition of some Winny for its "hardening" effect. For Winny, the route of its administration is entirely up to you. Many users report Winny to be a very annoying/burning compound to pin. As such, though the bioavailability will decrease slightly, oral administration is better unless you have something to dilute the Winny with such as your daily Test Prop injection.

    Third cutting stack...add 1 new item

    Week 1-8 50-75mg Test Prop ED or 150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
    Week 1-8 50mg Tren Acetate ED or 100mg EOD
    PCT (2 Days after last shot of Prop, 3 days after last shot of Tren)
    Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

    Test Prop and Tren Ace can be used as a cutter, but the Test/Tren combo is so strong that you can bulk like crazy while droping some bf% as Tren seems to have some properties that help with VAT fat burning (as does Anavar).

    CLOSING STATEMENTS:


    With that said...as you can tell most of the cycles utilize many of the same compounds. Other compounds can be used to replace some such as...Anadrol in place of D-bol for more experienced users. More exotic/expensive compounds such as Anavar would be a great addition to just about any cycle. Also there are many different esters of almost all of the injectable steroids...they can be substituted in the place of their cousins already listed with the appropriate pinning schedule revisions. (Ex. Tren Enth in place of Tren Acetate or Nandrolone Phenylprop in place of Deca).
    F.I.S.T.
    Senior Member
    Last edited by F.I.S.T.; 11-09-2015, 12:38 AM.

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    • #3
      great post boss.

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      • #4
        good stuff. thanks for posting. great opening point to the new user. you'll be surprised how much you can gain on test only or test/dbol.
        out of everything you've posted here, which is your favorite cycle?
        if you are new to the board, please take a minute to read the rules...CLICK HERE

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        • #5
          Grate post, grate 1st cylce's for any one!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sam1976 View Post
            good stuff. thanks for posting. great opening point to the new user. you'll be surprised how much you can gain on test only or test/dbol.
            out of everything you've posted here, which is your favorite cycle?
            These are all great cycles and have their place & time.I have produced great results with each becuase I always kept my trianing and diet in order,or at least the best I could.LOL

            But.................with that being said,my all time favorite advanced stack is a simple one, but also the best IMHO, and that is Test at a gram/week,eq or deca @ 750mg/week plus tren a at 75-100mg/day.This is nothing but a "MEAT & POTATOS" cycle that has given me the best results out of any.I have taken this one several times now and always love the results I get from it.Mind you,I do take time off for long periods of time due to my long times on,so I basically get a new cycle reaction again.I really believe in taking the extra time to to completely flush my system and have all my receptors waiting to be hit again which in IMHO keeps the gains coming.

            I never run any fancy cycles,just plain,simple cycles and so far they have worked out great.The basics will always work,whether its AAS ,trianing or diet,as long as its done right IMO.

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            • #7
              I just finished my first 10 week cycle and I'm into my first week Post cycle therapy. Wow.

              I'm 39 years old, 5'10. I went from 194lbs to 202 lbs in the 10 weeks, mostly muscle. Now at 34 waist, 46 chest, 16.5 arms. Body responded really well, but I could also see my body starting to get used to it towards the end.

              An amazing journey for sure.

              I took Naps gear's stack:
              http://www.napsgear.net/pre-designed...ass-stack-p482

              2 GP Test Enath250
              1 GP Deca250
              2 GP Turan
              3 GP Anastrozole

              Layout:

              Weeks 1-10: 500mg GP Test Enath250 ( 1ml Twice per week)
              Weeks 1-10: 250mg GP Deca250 - 250mg ( 0.5ml Twice per week)
              Weeks 1-4: 40mg GP Turan per day
              Weeks 1-13: 0.5mg GP Anastrozole per day

              My workouts were a split 4 day routine (chest, triceps / legs / back, biceps / shoulders, calves / rest / again…) focusing on drop sets and heavy lifting in the middle of the cycle (weeks 4-8) the first 10 weeks were mostly focused on eating around

              I was wondering what would be the best strategy with regards to my next cycle, and what my next cycle should be.


              I'll be getting a blood test in the coming month to check my cholesterol levels, and I was planning on waiting at least 3 months before starting my next cycle.

              Definitively want to get bigger, stronger and leaner, still have some belly fat, 34 waist want to get down more cut and defined.

              Thinking of doing the same cycle again in 3 months, but open to any suggestions here. I heard you gotta put at least 3 beginner cycles under your belt before you get into Growth Hormones, etc...

              Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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              • #8
                Bumping this to the top.

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                • #9
                  I know this is an old thread but just wondering do you not need an ai on cycle? I am planning on running my first cycle soon and just wondering

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                  • #10
                    ai are not only for estrogen activity etc they helps you to recover better too and keep you safe bro so make your choise
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                    • #11
                      FIST i miss your posts man, or am i just not seeing them?

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                      • #12
                        Don't know where FIST went. He hasn't posted in over a year.

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                        • #13
                          BUMPING BACK TO THE TOP.Sorry for my absence guys.

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                          • #14
                            Bump for those in need.

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                            • #15
                              This post is GOLD. Just saved it, thanks for the bump FIST.

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