What to expect from tren and winstrol

[jj_tv Member Find all posts View Profile Close jj_tv]

My cycles in the past have only been test/deca I'm trying something new as far as gear and I'm wondering if I made the right choice I want to gain 15 to 20 lbs lean while cutting down on some fat. I had no problem doing this with deca but I want some sculpted pecs. So I'm going with test/ tren/ winny for 10 weeks with clen for my last month. I will have caber in hand and clomid for pct. I'm 174 26 and 5;8 I would like to be 190lbs is this realistic with tren and winstrol or would I have to do it longer or should I go back to using deca. I also know its depends on your diet but my other question what would be a good diet for this. All I know is how to bulk I eat a lot of protein beef fish chicken and a lot of potatoes. Veggies sometimes. Protein shakes 4x a day. (beef protein) any recommendations?

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Ok so here is the problem. My goal is to gain at least 15lbs I want to cutt a little, I have read posts and dug sum info and people have different gains with tren, either gain loose and the. Gain or just cut. I absolutely want to gain. Now have heard not to stack deca with tren or EQ. Although deca would make gain I heard it is awesome stack and heard its not. In about a week or two I will have tren/winny and test with caber and clomid. But I wanted to use something else to make sure I gain some weight I don't want to start my cycle and end up loosing or cutting to much can anyone help a brotha out with sum recommendations.

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

The thing is, the gear your using is best used for cutting. When cutting this type of gear only help to keep what mass you already have and does not work well with putting size on. If I where you, I would cut as much as you can with this gear and then try to put some lean mass on with another cycle, keep the diet clean and you should be able to reach your goal!

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Thanks for the honesty, what I'm thinking is holding on to the tren and using everything with deca. Now what would your opinion be stacking Winston with deca?

[MrBig Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrBig]

You are leaving out the most important part Testosterone. I don't think Deca works well with anything other than Test and again the winny won't do much either.

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I am adding test I just forget to mention it i understand its the base for all cycles. I just assumed you knew. So here is a better way of putting it what can I stack with test and deca for a leaner bulk?

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I'd stick with that.

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Thanks mr big. Keeping simple. I have done this cycle before and got great gains as far as bulking goes. I'll keep the tren for a rainy day I just wish I could have the deca avaliable. I have to place another order and prolly won't be able to start now for another month. Stinks. I forgot to save my local guy when I got my new phone so now I don't even have contact with him.