View Full Version : New Upcoming Cycle!!!

03-21-2012, 08:16 PM
This has been changed! The details are towards the end of the thread!
I'm all set to start my new cycle except for some liver support products...
My Cycle:
1. Dbol
2. Tren Ace (inject)
3. Sust 250 (inject)
4. Aridex
5. Letrozole
6. Liv52

I can't decide what to get for my liver support for during and after my cycle... Any suggestions let me konw :) Thank You!

03-21-2012, 08:30 PM
How are you using each, I'm a little confuse why your run Tren A and Sust 250 at the same time and Adex and Letro at the same time???? Whats your thought on that? Oh and how many cycle have you run before?

03-21-2012, 08:41 PM
Dbol for the first 2 weeks at 30-40mgs
Tren and Sust at the same time at 1ml each
Letrozole during the cycle at 2.5mg a day
Adex the last half of my cycle at .5mgs a day

I also have a proper PCT plan.

This is my second cycle. I disregarded liver support products while on my last cycle and my liver enzyme values were a bit elevated, but it has been 5 months now from my last cycle and my blood work has gone back to normal.

I am not starting the cycle for about 3 weeks. I have a buddy that is VERY familiar with gear and he is going to help me out through all of it. I would also like suggestions form users on this forum. I can never get enough information. Thank you

03-21-2012, 09:16 PM
Ok, there a few thing that aren't making sense. First the Tren A we normally use this in a cutting cycle. Plus for your second, this is 5 times stronger than Test. I would say don't use this for a while. the sides can be nasty. Second the Sust 250 we normally use this for putting size on, at 500mg thats a good start. Third the d-bol you say your going to use it for 2 weeks, normally we run that for about 4-6 week. Need to run it longer to get were the Sust will kick in. Fourth your using WAY to much anti-estrogen,your not going to have any libido alls you need is to run Adex .5mg eod, this is a starting point you may need to run less or you may need to run more you just have to see how you react to it. Fifth the Letro is stronger than the Adex, so I don't think you even need that at all. This is my opinion and other may say something different, it doesn't mean that one or the other is wrong, you have to see what works best for you, but again I'm giving you some starting points.

03-21-2012, 11:30 PM
Im using tren A for good strength gains while I bulk. Im not going to run the letro unless I have bad sides. and Im not running this cycle at super high dosages. And Im only using the dbol for a jump start till the injects kick in. I know ill get better results if I run it for 4-6 weeks but I dont want to severely damage my liver. and tren is 3x stronger than test. So from this cycle I'm mainly looking at both putting on mass and good strength gains. Thank you for the pointers. I just really want to know what I should run for my liver throughout my cycle. That is that thing that worries me the most.

03-22-2012, 11:39 AM
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03-22-2012, 05:20 PM
Thank you Big! Also, what do you think I should take during and after my cycle for my liver?

03-22-2012, 05:28 PM
Well I'm surprised that no one else has said anything yet. I usually don't take anything for that, but if I'm not mistaken I think I've see some of the guys say that they use Milk Thistle I'm not even sure if I'm spelling it right. Look it up and see it that what your looking for. I also think our sponsor caries it.

03-22-2012, 05:34 PM
I know all the different products, I'm just looking for which ones are the best for during and after. Thank you though.

03-26-2012, 07:18 PM
wk 1-4: Dbol 30-40mg ED
wk 1-10: Tren A 300mgs EW
wk 1-10: Sust 250 500mgs EW

wk 11-14: Adex .5mgs EOD-ED
wk 10-14: Natural Test Booster
wk 10-14: Liver Longer
Liv52 & Milk Thistle ED

*Letrozole if I start having bad gyno sides from Tren.

03-26-2012, 08:32 PM
why no adex whole way? .. natural test booster not needed.. if u want.. u can take prop up to ur pct and stop 3 days prior.. everything else looks good.. 10 weeks on tren a is a while do it budday..

03-26-2012, 08:36 PM
Eh I guess I could take the adex during lol. I have a week and a half till I start it. I'm getting prepped right now. I take a natural test booster to but jump start my nat test. What else would jump start my natural test when I come off?

03-27-2012, 01:19 AM
hcg or hmg u take it whole cycle so ur natural test levels never shut down and it is easier to recooperate.. i wouldnt use those natural test boosters they dont work.. i take adex every cycle to prevent gyno.. .5 eod... look into hcg it is easier to find

03-27-2012, 01:39 AM
Since I'm only running the gear for 10wks I'm not going to get hcg, I forgot to mention that I will be running a concentrated powder of Nolva for my PCT.

03-27-2012, 09:25 PM
a concentrated powder? ive only seen it in pill and liquid(not that i know all)

03-27-2012, 10:08 PM
Nvm, it's liquid. My mistake. I've decided to take that while taking some Tribulus Caps to help a little bit for my PCT.

03-31-2012, 03:45 PM
I will be running a similar cycle to yours soon and as far as the information I have gathered... Adex or nolvadex will not do anything as far as prolactin side effects you may get from the tren. Better ancillaries to take on cycle would be aromasin and caber. Letro is pretty hardcore and could probably used as a last resort if you get some serious gyno issues going.

04-03-2012, 11:11 PM
Cycle Duration: 10 Weeks

wk 1-5: Dbol 30-40mg ED
wk 1-10: Sust 250 500-600mg EW
wk 3-10: Tren A 300-400mg EW
wk 1-10: Adex .5mg EOD
wk 1-12: HCG 250ui 2x/week
wk 1-16: UDCA ED (Liver support)
wk 12-16: Nolva 40/40/20/20

Letro on hand if necessary.

04-03-2012, 11:39 PM
what are your goals out of curiosity?

04-03-2012, 11:43 PM
Stength and Mass gains.

04-03-2012, 11:45 PM
Nice man, jealous I dont have the cash on hand right now for a cycle. keep a log so we all know how it goes!

04-03-2012, 11:49 PM
Definitely will!

04-04-2012, 12:03 AM
Cycle Duration: 10 Weeks
wk 1-5: Dbol 30-40mg ED
wk 1-10: Tren A 300mg EW
wk 1-10: Sust 250 500mg EW

wk 1-10: Adex .5mg EOD
wk 1-14: HCG 5,000ui E3D
wk 1-14: UDCA ED (Liver support)
wk 10-14: Nolva
Letro on hand if necessary.

Like Liquid said u might want to do the Tren for 6-8 wks (actually wk 4-10 would be a nice ride) as u come off the Dbol kick

for HCG use 250ius 2xwk not 5000iusE3D, i would also stop HCG on wk 12.

PCT/Nolva should start aprx 1.5-2 wks after last Sust Pin -wk12

04-04-2012, 12:30 AM
Like Liquid said u might want to do the Tren for 6-8 wks (actually wk 4-10 would be a nice ride) as u come off the Dbol kick

for HCG use 250ius 2xwk not 5000iusE3D, i would also stop HCG on wk 12.

PCT/Nolva should start aprx 1.5-2 wks after last Sust Pin -wk12

Thanks ODB. And I meant to put 250ui lol I will update it.

04-06-2012, 05:40 AM
Cycle looks good. It seems you have everything covered.

If I was to recommend a lean muscle transformation cycle it would be:

Test Prop
Tren Ace

If possible with the addition of GH. You can either use each product individually or go with AndroMix from GP or Cut Stack from Gen Shi or QD. Would not need dbol as they are all fast acting and will kick in quickly.

What you have is a nice cycle and will make nice gains from it. I like the idea of the Tren weeks 4-10.

Keep us posted on the results bro. Eat right and train hard. You will achieve your goals.

04-06-2012, 05:49 AM
I will add Cut Stack in my upcoming cycle...But for now I am trying to get bigger with some very good strength gains haha

04-09-2012, 06:55 AM
I start my cycle tomorrow. I will updating every week if everything is going smoothly. A lot of people want reviews on Quality Direct Labs and I will be using QDL Tren A and Sust250 in this cycle. Should I make another thread specifically for my cycle? or just keep updating this one? Opinions!!

04-09-2012, 11:34 PM
Just downed my GL dbol and pinned my QDL sust. Pinned in my glute, no pain what-so-ever and I am happy. What more could I ask for?? Also took .5mg of adex. Everything is going well and I will be updating every week.

04-10-2012, 04:23 PM
Day 2: My glute is a bit sore but everything is going smooth. I am still so surprise how smoothly the sust went it. Absolutely no pain. Using a 21gauge needle so its not that bad.

04-10-2012, 10:24 PM
My Stats:
5'7" 180lbs Medium Build
Bench: 265lb 1RM
Deadlift: 430lb 1RM
Squat: 505lb 1RM

Thats from 2 years of lifting seriously and 1 cycle of gear.

04-11-2012, 09:08 AM
Nice work, bro! Continue to keep us posted on your progress!

Best of luck. Pm me if you have any questions.

04-11-2012, 05:37 PM
Thanks brother!!

04-11-2012, 08:37 PM
My glute is very sore now. I'm not use to this feeling but hopefully it will go down soon. I am NOT looking forward to pin my left glute tomorrow haha im going to have a very sore ass. The thing that bothers me is that my gf can't know im pinning juice, and its very hard to hide a sore ass when we are always rolling around the bed lol whatever like Liquid said...no pain no gain!

04-16-2012, 02:14 AM
Everything is going very well. My glutes are still a little sore but that's normal. I have gained 6lbs so far from the dbol and that is with doing 15mins of cardio everyday and taking adex .5mg EOD. I have noticed a lump in my left nip that I had before but it is getting a little bigger and becoming more tender so I just took 1mg of Letro and I might bump the adex up to 1mg E3D depending how this letro works. My joints are fine and my strength has increased a bit. I have been feeling more confident in the gym and around the gf ;) and all is good.

04-16-2012, 02:22 AM
nice man keep going!

04-16-2012, 06:53 PM
Thank brother! and today I pinned my left quad. It fucking hurts. I pinned it about 10 minutes ago and it feels like my muscle is pulling away from my knee cap. Im DEFINITELY going to be sticking with the glutes. And the 21gauge hurt the whole time I stuck it in and was plunging it. Well I'll get over it and no pain no gain. Im not excited to train today seeing as I can barely walk up/down stairs lol but I gotta do what I gotta do.

04-16-2012, 11:23 PM
im new to all this, but why all the pain? from the diff stuff ur using?

ive only done a few testC injections in my quads and besides one of them being sore they all have gone well. just 1cc at a time though.

04-17-2012, 01:47 AM
im new to all this, but why all the pain? from the diff stuff ur using?

ive only done a few testC injections in my quads and besides one of them being sore they all have gone well. just 1cc at a time though.

Well it's normal to be sore for your first pins. And I'm not use to pinning again. Also, I'm pinning 2ml with a 21gauge needle. 21 gauge is a bit big lol

04-17-2012, 11:06 PM
Well this is my update after a week. My glutes are fine now but my guad is killing me. I can't walk so Ive spent all day in bed. Im not over selling it. I woke up this morning and could not walk for the life of me. I can sort of walk now but its still killing me. Good things are coming out of this thought. I have gained 9lbs so far and my bench max is up to 275lbs and it has only been 9 days. I will never pin in my quad again. I am sticking to my glutes.

04-18-2012, 02:16 PM
AIII do u warm up ur juice? it helps.

I hate quads also, I pin glutes + delts -delts are not bad, like a small bee sting but i would do 1cc in each delt.

04-18-2012, 03:39 PM
yeah im using 25g on my quads for 1cc of cyp and its cake. man 21...ouch.

04-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Yes I warm it up. I just plunged it too fast. The oil seeped down to the outer coat of my muscle and then to my knee. I can walk much easier now. But honestly, glutes are fine with me. After that pin on Monday in the quad...I think another pin will be a piece of cake from now on haha. Ill stick with glutes :)

04-18-2012, 09:19 PM
I assume you only have 21g. Maybe order some 23g now, shipping is pretty fast from most places and there so cheap at least from the right places. The smaller size is a little harder to push in but helps keep you from going in too fast.

04-18-2012, 10:57 PM
That is an excellent idea!

04-20-2012, 04:38 AM
I pinned my right glute again today and all went well but it was harder this time to push it in. I was looking forward to pinning with a 21gauge to become easier! lol oh well I think it's time to switch up the size

04-24-2012, 02:45 AM
Feeling good right about now! I'm three weeks in and I am happy with my strength gains and weight gains. I just signed up for a powerlifting meet in July so this training should be fun :)