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Jackal
01-26-2012, 03:46 AM
Okay so a friend in the gym recommended this site and i was hoping to get more educated on the matter so I don't go into the cycle with the wrong information.

I'm 18, 6'2, 170 pounds and roughly 6-7 percent body fat. I have lean muscle but i can never put on mass gains, i'm what they call a hard gainer and no matter what I eat the weight never seems to stay on. My friend recommended a 10 week cycle

First week: 10 mg of dianabol pills every day, 5-6 hours before workout. 200 mg of Prop of tuesdays, 200 mg on thursdays, and 300 mg of decka on wednesdays.

Second to fifth week: up it to two dianabol pills, so 20 mg a day, again 5-6 hours before workout. stay steady with prop dosages and change decka dosages to 200 on wednesday and 200 on friday.

6th week: Maintain prop and decka levels on appropriate days, take a 50 mg pill of anadrol 50 a day instead of dianabol pills.

7-10th week: Maintain prop and decka levels. Take two 50 mg pills of anadrol 50 a day.


He said some might recommend taking anadrol 50 for the first five weeks instead of dianabol, and switching it. After some research, they also recommend GP test En 250 with these products, but i'm not sure how often i should take it. I'm new to all of this, and I don't know which estrogen reducing pills i should take, or what pct is, all i know is that people tell me it's necessary to take after the cyle to reduce swelling and lumps in the breast tissue or complete stoppage in natural testosterone production completely. Could anybody help me out with some ideas?

ODB
01-26-2012, 05:10 PM
I honestly would suggest u wait at least 3-7 yrs B4 starting AAS ....... unless ur going to be a ProBodybuilder?

@ 18 ur body is still growing+changing wait till ur 21-25.

xamo
01-26-2012, 05:20 PM
you're 18... if you don't gain any mass it's due to your diet or bad routines... what's your diet like

Jackal
01-26-2012, 05:44 PM
Just trying to gain mass and power. You're probably right I might want to wait a few years.

My diet's really healthy but I'm probably not eating as much as I should be. My time/finances are a little limited at the moment but I have a high protein intake, put as much calories into me as I can throughout the day. Usually things I can buy in bulk like frozen dinners, tuna, kidney beans, and progresso soup cans since they all have at least 13-25 grams of protein each. But idk I never seem to be at where I want to be. I know my routines are right because I work out with personal trainers, football players, and amateur bodybuilders.

xamo
01-26-2012, 06:15 PM
A routine might work for one and not for the other.. Try to aim 3000 calories daily, with a minimum of 200g of carbs, and 400g of protein..

Liquid
01-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Just trying to gain mass and power. You're probably right I might want to wait a few years.

My diet's really healthy but I'm probably not eating as much as I should be. My time/finances are a little limited at the moment but I have a high protein intake, put as much calories into me as I can throughout the day. Usually things I can buy in bulk like frozen dinners, tuna, kidney beans, and progresso soup cans since they all have at least 13-25 grams of protein each. But idk I never seem to be at where I want to be. I know my routines are right because I work out with personal trainers, football players, and amateur bodybuilders.

Take advantage of your body's high production of Test and GH at your age and build a solid foundation. Focus on your diet - Make sure you truly are getting what you think you are. A lot of times people think they are getting adequate amounts until they really break down what they eat and see they are off. If you need to put on weight. Up the carbs, protein and moderate fats. At your weight you should be getting at least 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per LB of bodyweight. At 170lbs you should be getting 255 to 340grams of protein each day. Split that into 6-7 meals a day including shakes. The 13-25 grams of protein you are getting from the meals you are eating now - you will not hit the amount you need and lack in carbs - good carbs.

What is your training routine like? How many days a week do you train?

At your age - I'd go with a 4 on 1 off training routine.
Example:

Day 1: Chest and Tri's
Day 2: Quads
Day 3: Shoulders/Traps - Hamstrings
Day 4: Back and Bi's
Day off
Repeat

With this routine you will allternate hitting certain muscle groups twice a week. Make sure you are not overtraining - For the smaller muscle groups - Bi's, Tri's, Hamstrings - You only need about 3 different exercises with 3-4 sets. 12 sets total. The bigger ones like Quads, Back, Chest - I'd go with 4 exercises at 4 sets each. Hit it hard and you will grow.

Stay natural - Learn about nutrition, juice, and most importantly build a solid foundation. That will be key - without it, using AAS won't do much for you in the long run.

xamo
01-26-2012, 10:00 PM
I'd suggest a powerlifting approach more than a bodybuilding one, i mean, bodybuilding doesn't get you athletic

ODB
01-27-2012, 02:48 PM
I'd suggest a powerlifting approach more than a bodybuilding one, i mean, bodybuilding doesn't get you athletic

Powerlifting will give u a great Base.
You said it u prob do not eat enough, u need to eat on a schedule not just when ur hungry.
I eat every 2 hours, people know not to put anything down for too long cuz I will eat it if it don't move.:cool: :)

Don't eat too clean @ ur age especially if ur working out + active ur metabolism is blazing. - stay away from junk food but do not worry about 90%lean vs 80%.

Guest
01-31-2012, 12:06 PM
It isn't easy to eat more.. I have had to work on it slowly, but surely you will be able to throw in that extra meal.. its not like u can just go from eating 2000 cal ed to 7k... work at it. personally i try to get a little meal in every 2 hrs ... Which is still hard for me, but remember these aren't huge meals like supper. but yea this is still difficult for me I used to be content with 2 meals ed so you can see why.

Liquid
02-02-2012, 05:27 AM
You just have to keep eating even when not hungry to stretch your stomach. You will get there. The only weight gainer I'd recommend is Up Your Mass. That will help with the calories, carbs, and protein.

Guest
02-02-2012, 12:48 PM
don't forget about the cheat day! some people only cheat on one meal that day.. I kinda just do the whole day like a slob .. gets me through the week :)_

Old Dude
02-08-2012, 10:13 PM
The only thing steroids will do for you @ 18 is shrink your nuts and mess with own hormone growth. Like the others said wait a few years

hackleech
02-08-2012, 10:48 PM
bro if ur 170 lbs and like 6% bodyfat the answer is simple u need to eat more i also thought i had bad genetics and was a hard gainer. that is until i started getting almost 4,000 calories everyday i puked once the first week but it gets a bit easier as u go what worked for me was about 4 big meals a day make sure u got stuff with plenty of carbs and fats otherwise 4k cals will be impossible if u do this i bet by the time ur 20 u will be 200 pounds

ds222
02-08-2012, 11:36 PM
don't forget about the cheat day! some people only cheat on one meal that day.. I kinda just do the whole day like a slob .. gets me through the week :)_ there is actually some science to back up cheating for a whole day, even multiple days when dieting. it doesn't just help with the mental side of a strict diet, it helps physically.

Guest
02-09-2012, 02:11 AM
there is actually some science to back up cheating for a whole day, even multiple days when dieting. it doesn't just help with the mental side of a strict diet, it helps physically.
I believe it.. change things up.. makes sense.. just like u should change up ur workout plan every so often to fool ur muscles

jk703
02-29-2012, 01:01 PM
If your time and money are limited gear is expensive especially legit gear. For a very basic cycle of TEST ONLY which should be your first you're looking at a minimum of $250-$300 for your gear, on cycle therapy and pct (post cycle therapy) which is a must if you want to keep anything. Steroids aren't something you can do half ass. I'm in no way a veteran or a pro but I'm running my 4th cycle currently of test cyp and tren e. I started when I was 23 (should have waited until i was at least 25) but I was in a hurry to try gear...but before I did I probably did a years worth of research at least before I ever ordered anything. I gained 23lbs on my first cycle of sustanon 250 at only 250mgs per week. I'm fortunately one of those who's body responds very well and very quickly to steroids. 2nd cycle was Test E at 500mgs per week for 12 weeks and Anadrol kick start. 3rd cycle was Test E 500mgs per week and 400mgs per week of Deca. Currently running 500mgs Test Cyp and 400mgs of tren e. Also when you do start use moderate to light doses No need for 750mgs + per week no need for it at all. The most test I've ever run has been 500mgs and I'm still making great gains with it. You're going to do what you're going to do none of us here can stop you but if you do choose to use gear now just make sure you have everything you need including pct lined up before you start. Good luck to you and your endeavors! Keep us posted.

one-more
03-01-2012, 02:35 AM
Drink to "prevent thirst" eat to "prevent hunger"...it you get thirsty, your dehighdrated, if your hungry you've waited "too long to eat..." every two-three hours is key, try to include a complex carb, a fiberous carb, and a lean protein in every meal, or its considered a "snack"...and don't forget "good" fats....this would be a baseline diet of course.