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  • Swales PCT Protocol

    Here it is:

    I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

    Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

    If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn?t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn?t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

    The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM?s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

    I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a ?bridge?. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can?t ?fool? the body?it is smarter than you are.

    I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground?and we don?t want that, do we?).

    All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.

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    very nice. i was looking for something to post in this section. good going.
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    • #3
      Good read thanks

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      • #4
        I used to use hcg durring my cycles because thats what my source recomended. Never asked why. Great post! I took a long layoff, started feeling like crap and then I was diagnosed with hypogonadism. So now I'm back on gear. Is it possible to come off for a while using pct and "temporarily" maintain a normal testosterone range using hcg?- not long term but long enough to give my body a break before another cycle. Or would I just crash?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by omni View Post
          I used to use hcg durring my cycles because thats what my source recomended. Never asked why. Great post! I took a long layoff, started feeling like crap and then I was diagnosed with hypogonadism. So now I'm back on gear. Is it possible to come off for a while using pct and "temporarily" maintain a normal testosterone range using hcg?- not long term but long enough to give my body a break before another cycle. Or would I just crash?
          I have been on TRT for over two years now and running steriods for over 25 years. I here what you are saying about giving your body a break. You might be better off to donate blood every 2 or 3 months, that helps in getting your RBC right. For me that is a big reason for not being on the top of my game, so to speak. Also, instead of dosing in-between cycles with the prescribed dose (maybe 200mg ea week) lower that. I use a mixture of of prop and cyp or Eth like 75 cyp and 50mg prop. This gives me enough to feel ok and is low enough to releive receptor saturation, some. I also take 1mg Adex a week.

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          • #6
            Hey Ric, I'll keep that in mind. I'll probably try it in a few months. Originally my doc was only giving me 200mg test-e eow, so that looks do-able

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            • #7
              good info thanks !!

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              • #8
                great info. thanks for the post!

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                • #9
                  def a nice read!

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                  • #10
                    Thumbs up. If I were to do something I would do hcg, just different dose. Good post.

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                      • #12
                        Great read thanx!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SAFELIFE1 View Post
                          Thumbs up. If I were to do something I would do hcg, just different dose. Good post.

                          How would you dose?

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