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MRB
01-24-2010, 01:48 AM
Just got my first cycle today going to start monday.Got Geneza stan 50 and geneza Turan running for 8 weeks followed by Arimidex.Also my buddy got Geneza Glen.Hoping they make a good product.:)

sam1976
01-24-2010, 04:07 PM
Just got my first cycle today going to start monday.Got Geneza stan 50 and geneza Turan running for 8 weeks followed by Arimidex.Also my buddy got Geneza Glen.Hoping they make a good product.:)

i haven't used the OT, but i'm sure it's good. i've used a number of GP orals and had good experiences with them all. the winny was some good stuff when i used it last september. i got great cosmetic benefit from it on the way into my show.

what is your goal with this cycle? i'll be honest, this is not the way people will commonly run gear. 2 orals can be hard on the liver. plus i've noticed that after prolonged used of winny, my joints start to hurt something awful, unless i'm using nandralone with it.

also, adex is not in itself PCT. you need to get some nolva or clomid in there. research what proper PCT is.

MRB
01-24-2010, 06:55 PM
Im looking to add lean mass and lean out.Im hoping to maybe add 8-10 lb in the 8weeks.Hope that is a good goal.As far as 2 orals hard on liver i heard that was just a little nervous about placeing first order and being my first cycle.Going to also take liver supplement.Do u think it would be better to shorten to 6weeks?Also i will look into the pct i thought that would be good thanks for info.

sam1976
01-25-2010, 10:28 AM
what are you planning for dose? what liver protection do you have? also, how old are you and how long have you been training seriously? that'll just give me a better idea of where you're at.

winny is something that i try to take for more moderate periods of time. it's more of an 'icing on the cake' kind of drug. good for cosmetics when cutting, but it certainly isn't something i'd ever consider a base. when i use it, it would usually be say in the last 4 weeks of a cutting diet to really help achieve a hard, dry look.
OT is one of the few orals i've never used. i'm a big fan of dbol, so whenever there has come a time to make a choice where OT could come in handy, dbol has been my 'go to'. still, i know a good deal about it and it isn't what i call a base either.

testosterone is the base of any cycle. these other drugs will shut down your natural production. without test, you very well might end up feeling like shit after a couple weeks in. test is good for cutting or bulking. it's just depends on your diet.

MRB
01-25-2010, 12:08 PM
Planed on 50 to 75mg of stan split in 3 doses and 40mg of ot split in 2 doses.I read winny half life is 9hr and ot is 12?Does this sound ok?I am using liv52.I am 28 been lifting 9yr only 3 seriously hurt my shoulder 4yr ago benching with my wife spotting me never again.I thought about getting the dbol but didnt want to bloat to bad.Iam thinking im going to regret not getting it though.

sam1976
01-25-2010, 05:56 PM
cool. even if you were a youngster, i wasn't going to tell you not to use, just becasue it isn't my place to tell other people what to do, you know. but it's good to hear that you're a little older, which usually means more patient,ect. lol at your wife spotting you. just a week ago, while the bar was sitting on my chest, my girl said, and i quote "you were shaking your head back and forth. i thought that meant, no, you didn't want help"...while my face was turning purple.

anyway, what do you think about waiting long enough to get some test? even if you just did 250mg EW, you'd be much better off. you could pick one of the orals you've got and add it into the cycle. the OT would be a good choice while you're trying to add some lean mass. then maybe keep the winny for next time. trust me when i say you'd be much happier with the results with some test in there. by the way, on winny, i believe it is 9hr half life. taking 2 doses is fine. 75mg is a higher dose to start out with. it's not going to kill you, but 50 is a more standard place to start. i take it for usually like 4 wks not only because of joint issues but it is really bad on my cholesterol levels.