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  • HCG or HMG. Why not both.

    HMG has been around several yrs, but I've recently seen a renewed interest in it. The main conversation is which is better. Always HCG vs HMG arguments.

    They work in different ways and benefit each other so why not run both.

    Here is a great article that agrees with the ..using both..point of view.




    By Jay.

    First off there seems to be some confusion in regards to the difference between the aforementioned compounds and their effects on the two mentioned parameters.

    Let's first go over the two Hormones:

    LH

    Luteinizing hormone is responsible for the trigger of testosterone release in the body. Basically, LH which is secreted in the Testes triggers the body to produce Testosterone. Once this is done the hypothalmus picks up on it in a negative feed back process (inhibition of GnRH). Thus, LH "checks" itself.

    What does this mean?

    Well, LH is a fine balance. Not enough, and your body doesn't produce Test. Too much, same effect. Now introduce synthetic Testosterone into the loop and what do we have? A break in the cycle. Boom...body stops producing LH.

    Now wait a minute. If we're on cycle why would we want to tell the body produce LH when it doesn't need to? People think your testicles shrink due to lowered Test production. No no no. This is DIRECTLY linked to LH and FSH depletion. Test is NOT made in the testes. LH is made in the Testes which SIGNALS the body to make Test. Well if there's excess Test introduced why do we need LH? Are you guys seeing the link yet?

    Excess test = no need for LH = shutdown of LH = Testicle shrinkage

    So what are we aiming for? Well we're aiming for just enough LH production to keep the loop working, BUT not too much where the body downgrades receptors because it's gone haywire.

    Now here's something REALLY interesting for you Tren/Deca users. Progesterone/Prolactin DIRECTLY inhibit the production of LH which = shutdown of Test production. This is why I ALWAYS preach the use of Cabergoline or Pramipexole during the cycle and even sometimes into PCT. In fact, LH is the primary fertility driver in women. Synthetic progesterone and estrogen is the contraceptive used to deplete LH. Interesting right? So Progesterone/Prolactin and Estrogen both have a negative effect on LH as well.

    FSH

    Follicle Stimulating Hormone is the lesser known Testicular hormone in Men. This is hormone responsible to Testicular Sperm Production. More often than not, this is the hormone responsible for infertility in men. There's three things needed for Spermatogenesis:

    LH (to secrete Testosterone)
    So basically Testosterone as well
    FSH

    LH secretes Testosterone -> Testosterone is needed to bind to the protein produced by -> FSH

    It's been directly correlated that HIGH levels of Testosterone deplete FSH.

    So now knowing that LH is linked to Testosterone production and FSH is linked to sperm production let's move forward to the hormones

    HCG

    - Effects LH (not FSH)
    - Direct link to Testosterone secretion

    First off, HCG should NEVER be used off-cycle by Men. Why? Well it triggers the release of LH which will temporarily signal the release of Test. Beautiful thing right? Wrong. This also triggers the release of Estrogen. Both will cancel each other out, the body will see it has a higher than normal concentration of LH and further shut down LH production.

    The best use? Small doses while on. Simply put: Don't let the horse get out of the bar. 250-500iu e5d while on is the best course of action. With increased androgens in the body, it will make the body "think" the loop has never been broken.

    High test -> high LH -> body thinks everything is Kosher

    A "shotgun" (1000iu e3d) the last 3 weeks of the cycle will help prep the testes going into PCT where the SERM's bind to estrogen enough to get the body back into the normal groove

    HMG

    - Effects FSH (not LH)
    - Direct link to sperm cell maturation

    Ok...now with this compound. There's two uses:

    1) Keeping FSH production in check while on cycle. For this, small doses similar to HCG while on cycle are effective for never letting HMG drop below acceptable levels (25iu e5d)

    2) Spot fertility treatment. Yes, this can be used in the same way HCG (LH secretion) stimulates ovulation in females. (75iu one injection during time you are trying to conceive)


    Best Method

    -HCG 250-500iu e5d while on, 1000iu e3d last 3 weeks
    -HMG 25iu e5d while on continued through last 3 weeks (not as critical to shotgun going into PCT

    References:

    Hormones of the Reproductive System

    Luteinizing and Follicle Stimulating Hormones

    Follicle-Stimulating Hormone Abnormalities: eMedicine Endocrinology
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  • #2
    There are a few kinds of HMG some are a combination that cover both FSH and LH ...article on the blog..

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    • #3
      nice ronny gonna check dat out
      but hey thats just what i think and i'm a idiot so don't listen to me
      Hackleech

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      • #4
        Ill be running both for my upcoming cycle. already ordered and have on hand!
        Cr?z?

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