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  • Getting ready to start a Fat Burning and Lean Muscle Building cycle need advice

    I have done a few cycles in the past and I have continued doing research but I am always looking for guidance and advice. I am currently 230lbs with roughly 20-25% body fat. I am looking to lose weight (20-30lbs), build lean muscle and burn off as much body fat as possible. After speaking with many friends, trainers and some doctors I have come to the conclusions that the following is what I need to get where I want...so I went ahead and purchased:

    GP Stan 50 (Winstrol tabs)
    GP Oxan (Anavar)
    Primobol 50mg Tablets
    Tren Acetate 100

    I have been told to do a 6-8 week cycle of Tren, Primo and Anavar followed by a 6-8 week cycle of Winstrol and Clen.

    I would appreciate your thoughts or suggestions

    Thank you
    Mastermind
    Junior Member
    Last edited by Mastermind; 05-10-2011, 11:54 PM.

  • #2
    dont listen to anyone who tells u to run a stack like that with no test. thats a horrible idea for a first cycle. you need to run test only for your first cycle, test is the best compound out there and can be used for anything , bulking/cutting/both. more so than the compounds you run, you need to watch your diet and workout. just run test at 500/wk, and if you want more, add one new compound per cycle. you need to start simple and see how your body reacts. what would u do if you ran all that and your hair started falling out, you couldnt get your dick hard, couldnt sleep, and got the worst acne youve ever seen? where do you start when trying to fix that?
    Pain is just weakness leaving the body

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PushinWeight View Post
      dont listen to anyone who tells u to run a stack like that with no test. thats a horrible idea for a first cycle. you need to run test only for your first cycle, test is the best compound out there and can be used for anything , bulking/cutting/both. more so than the compounds you run, you need to watch your diet and workout. just run test at 500/wk, and if you want more, add one new compound per cycle. you need to start simple and see how your body reacts. what would u do if you ran all that and your hair started falling out, you couldnt get your dick hard, couldnt sleep, and got the worst acne youve ever seen? where do you start when trying to fix that?
      WOW. Ive heard that Test will get me huge muscle gains but thats not what I am looking for. I have done Win and Clen before and it worked great. Im just looking to get lean and lose fat basically as shredded as possible.

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      • #4
        no offense at all bro, nothing but respect for you, but you also heard the cycle you listed above was a good idea. you should just try a test cycle and straighten the diet up and do some cardio. or if you dont want to try that, maybe an eca or ecy stack. but running those compounds without test will prob make you feel like shit, quite possibly give you erectile disfunction issues, and the gains will prob disappear as soon as you end the cycle. tren alone is one of, if not the most, suppressive compound to your natural hormone production. after a matter of a few days, your test levels will be that of a 100 yr old man and youll feel it
        Pain is just weakness leaving the body

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        • #5
          Listen to PW, test is THE base for any cycle. I would recommend running 8-10 weeks of prop @ 150mg EOD with a high protein diet and cardio. You can throw in clen during the last 2 weeks of the cycle.
          All information provided by me is for research purpose only. I do not sell illegal compounds nor can I supply anyone with a source for raw materials.

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          • #6
            I would stay away from the winstrol too....just gonna dry out your joints. Maybe do a Test-E/Clen/Var cycle......run the clen 10days on/10days off the entire cycle and run the var the last 4-5 weeks. Make sure you run a good AI during and after your cycle and follow with a strong PCT of HCG/Clomid/Arimidex.

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            • #7
              As all have stated. Test as a base for any cycle, especially with a compound like Tren.

              I also agree with hcg; however, not for pct, since hcg is suppressive itself. hcg should be ran during cycle at 250iu e4d, 2 weeks after 1st injection.

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              • #8
                Thanks for the info guys. Much appreciated so basically everything I just bought is useless hahahaha So from these posts Ive learned that Tren is probably the worst. ANy thoughts on Anavar and Primo?

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                • #9
                  Btw watching diet and cardio is something I do regardless. 30 minutes of interval cardio to start out every workout session

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                  • #10
                    think you already have you answers from the other guy, but its the diet that will make you drop the weigh feel free to post up what you eat day to day time's ect im sure there will be people happy help with that aswell, if you want.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mastermind View Post
                      Thanks for the info guys. Much appreciated so basically everything I just bought is useless hahahaha So from these posts Ive learned that Tren is probably the worst. ANy thoughts on Anavar and Primo?
                      Actually not. Tren is the ultimate repartitioning agent IMO and I am sure others; however, you can suffer some serious sides. I would start with 50mg ed for the first week, and go from there, until you are at 100mg ed.

                      I have ran Tren on a cutting cycle and bulking cycle, and I lost fat while on a caloric surplus, and pretty much melt it off during a cut.

                      I have read good things about anavar, it's just costly to run, so I haven't ran it, and the same with Primo.

                      Another thing while running tren you will need to watch for prolactin induced gyno, which a serm will do nothing for. You will need to run caber or prami.

                      But as others stated, tren will shut you down hard, so if your sex life or libido does not matter, skip the test. If it does matter, as little as 200mg ew will be suitable. I also ran hcg e4d with Test + Tren.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks alot guys I appreciate it. I just have a few more questions

                        Im going to order TEST right now is 10 ml vial (100 mg/ml) enough?
                        What is "ed"?
                        What dosage of Anavar should I go with?
                        What dosage of Primo should I go with?
                        What dosage of "ecg" ?



                        Originally posted by iPenetratah View Post
                        Actually not. Tren is the ultimate repartitioning agent IMO and I am sure others; however, you can suffer some serious sides. I would start with 50mg ed for the first week, and go from there, until you are at 100mg ed.

                        I have ran Tren on a cutting cycle and bulking cycle, and I lost fat while on a caloric surplus, and pretty much melt it off during a cut.

                        I have read good things about anavar, it's just costly to run, so I haven't ran it, and the same with Primo.

                        Another thing while running tren you will need to watch for prolactin induced gyno, which a serm will do nothing for. You will need to run caber or prami.

                        But as others stated, tren will shut you down hard, so if your sex life or libido does not matter, skip the test. If it does matter, as little as 200mg ew will be suitable. I also ran hcg e4d with Test + Tren.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mastermind View Post
                          Thanks alot guys I appreciate it. I just have a few more questions

                          Im going to order TEST right now is 10 ml vial (100 mg/ml) enough?
                          What is "ed"?
                          What dosage of Anavar should I go with?
                          What dosage of Primo should I go with?
                          What dosage of "ecg" ?
                          ed = every day
                          I would opt for the Test Enth 10ml/250mg, You can run that for 10 weeks at 250mg, and only have to inject once or preferably twice (m/th) per week.

                          From what I have read:
                          Anavar should be ran around 50-100mg ed
                          Oral Primo 100-150mg ed

                          And hcg should be 250iu every 4th day after 2 weeks of first dose.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by iPenetratah View Post
                            ed = every day
                            I would opt for the Test Enth 10ml/250mg, You can run that for 10 weeks at 250mg, and only have to inject once or preferably twice (m/th) per week.

                            From what I have read:
                            Anavar should be ran around 50-100mg ed
                            Oral Primo 100-150mg ed

                            And hcg should be 250iu every 4th day after 2 weeks of first dose.
                            Most men run anavar at around 70-80mg/day for optimal results

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by coach5 View Post
                              Most men run anavar at around 70-80mg/day for optimal results
                              Noted. I did actually see lower recommendations, e.g. Anabolics 2009 edition, but from the other research I have done it appeared to low.

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